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Prophetess  of  Health


A talk given by Dr. Ronald L. Numbers
at the San Bernardino County Museum
on May 29, 1976

 

Thank you, Stan.  It is a pleasure to be reunited with Stan Aufdemberg, who, I might add, twice in my life has been my pastor.  If any of you detect any deficiencies in my spiritual experience, you might attribute them to his influence.  There are a number of things I wanted to say this afternoon, but I don't want to speak too long so that you will have opportunity at the end to ask whatever questions are on your mind.  Specifically, I want to address myself to four questions:  the (1) being, what was I really trying to say in this study?  What do I see as the most important points?  (2)  What methodology have I used?   (3)  What were my motives?  And (4) what has been my relationship with the Ellen G. White Estate?

First, I should say that I have not written a biography in any sense of the term, but have written a limited historical study of Ellen White's development as a health reformer.  In my opinion, the most important conclusions which I reached were (1) that Ellen White was indeed a child of her times, that is, that neither in terms of the content of her writings on health reform or in terms of the selection of the material that she included were her views unique.  Secondly, I think I have shown that her views developed over time.  By this I mean that Ellen White in 1900 is not the same as Ellen White in 1865.  These, of course, are very modest conclusions which would come as no surprise to an intellectual historian, but I think they are also very significant.  Let me illustrate this.  A close comparison of Ellen White's teachings on health reveals not only that she was saying precisely the same things that other health reformers were saying on the topics of diet, dress reform, sexual activities, et cetera, but that in may instances her language was remarkably similar to the language that these other contemporaries were using, and I think it is beyond dispute that we have evidence here of literary dependence of one kind or another.  In some way, and I'm still not certain how, Mrs. White was familiar with the writings of those who went before her and she incorporated many of their ideas and some of their phraseology into her own writings.  In terms of content she said nothing that was not common knowledge in 19th-century America.

Few individuals, I think would contest this conclusion, but many have insisted that at least Mrs. White selected only those ideas from the 19th century which have stood the test of time, which are today accepted as being scientifically valid.  But I don't think the evidence bears this out.  For example, shortly after her 1863 vision she wrote on the harmful effects of self-abuse, or masturbation.   "Everywhere I looked," she said, "I saw imbecility, dwarfed forms, crippled limbs, misshapen heads, and deformity of every description."  God, in her vision, had shown her that continued masturbation produced not only hereditary insanity and deformities, but a host of other diseases including "affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors."  "Not infrequently," she said, "continued masturbation led its victims into an early grave."

Now, I have no interest at all in debating the scientific accuracy of these statements, but I think it is fair to say that science has not yet corroborated these statements.  Perhaps I should at this time mention the explanation offered by the Ellen G. White Estate for her views on the effects of masturbation.  In a document that the White Estate prepared for Harper & Row, the publishers of my volume, they argued that we should reserve judgment in this matter, that science may yet come about to confirm her.  Let me quote two brief passages:

In the matter of masturbation, the gaining of data is difficult to come by.  Is there the possibility of scientists sometimes reversing their pronouncements overnight as they have in so many fields?  We think it is too early to declare the Ellen White statements unreliable.

Some of us at the White Estate have met people who, when in their youth, with all innocence, were masturbating -- not connecting at all St. Vitus's dance in one case and very distressing symptoms in another.  After reading Ellen White's counsel, they broke with the habit to find lasting relief.  Scientific tables would be meaningless to such, but they know some things from experience.

In a similar category, I might mention Mrs. White's assertion that the wearing of wigs over the back part of the head often leads to insanity and recklessness of morals.

The second contribution, as I have already mentioned, is, I think, to show the development of Mrs. White's views on health reform and diet.  A number of examples could be cited to illustrate this point.  In 1849 Mrs. White warned against the use of earthly physicians.  She wrote:

If any among us are sick, let us not dishonor God by applying to earthly physicians, but apply to the God of Israel.  If we follow his directions (James 5:14,15) the sick will be healed.  God's promise cannot fail.   Have faith in God, and trust wholly in him.

We know on the basis of historical evidence that this was the practice of the Sabbatarian Adventists during the early 1850s.  But by 1860 Ellen White was advocating the use of physicians in some cases and denying that she had ever urged Adventists not to consult earthly physicians.  And certainly we all are aware that by the early 20th century she was actively engaged in promoting medical education, and it was her counsel that led to the creation of the College of Medical Evangelists in Loma Linda.

A second example of her development might come from the area of dress reform.  In the early 1860s Ellen White urged Adventist sisters not to adopt the so-called reform dress modeled to a great extent on the famous Bloomer costume; however, after she visited Dansville, New York, in 1864, where a modified version of this dress was worn, she saw its utility and its helpfulness and subsequently urged Adventist sisters to adopt the reform dress.  Still later, in the mid-1870s, after she saw how much contention was created in the church by the adoption of this dress, she urged the church to have nothing more to do with it.

A third area in which she developed related to the etiology of disease.  In the early 1860s she was writing about the miasmatic origin of diseases resulting from decomposing matter surrounding houses.  She was also talking about the possibility of producing cancerous humors.  By the late 19th century and early 20th century, after the coming of the germ theory of disease. Ms. White becomes a contagionist and no longer speaks of humors, but of germs.

And, finally, her reasons for not eating meat changed rather sharply over time.  In the writings produced shortly after her 1863 vision on the evils of eating meat, she said that the two primary reasons for adopting a vegetarian diet were:  (1) to protect you from diseases transmitted by eating meat; but more important, in terms of emphasis, to prevent from arousing the "animal passions," which led to undue sexual activity.  In Ministry of Healing written in 1905, however, we find no mention of the sexual consequences of eating meat, but only that meat eating produces disease and is cruel to animals.

I mentioned at the beginning that my study had certain limitations.  One of them is that it is not a biography.  But, perhaps, I should say more about what I do not intend to imply with my study.  I am not saying, nor do I personally think, as some have said, that Ellen G. White was a pious fraud.  On the other hand, I do not think that was unique, either in what she said or in having visions.   If you'll indulge a little hyperbole, visions in the early 19th century in America were reaching a nearly epidemic proportion, and it is my personal feeling that without James White's organizational and publishing skills Ellen White today would be known only as another Shut Door advocate in New England who experienced visions.

In writing about Ellen White, I've tried to treat her no differently than I would Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism; Mary Baker Eddy, who founded Christian Science; or Charles Taze Russell, who in the 19th century created the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Thus, as I point out in the preface of my study, I have refrained from using divine inspiration as a historical explanation.  I also say that I have parted company with those Adventist scholars who insist on certain presuppositions:  

(1) that the Holy Spirit has guided the Advent movement since the early 1840s; 

(2) "that Ellen Harmon White was chosen by God as his messenger and her work embodied that of a prophet";

(3) "that as a sincere, dedicated Christian and a prophet, Ellen White would not and did not falsify"; and

(4) that the testimony of Mrs. White's fellow-believers "may be accepted as true and correct to the best of the memory of the individuals who reported." 

These are, I insist, conclusions, not presuppositions.  And the question of inspiration by its very nature is one which the historian is not equipped to answer.  As a historian I make absolutely no judgment about the inspiration of Ellen G. White, since, in my opinion, there is no evidence beyond her own claims to document such a conclusion.  But I am not saying in any way that Ellen White was not inspired.  That is a decision which each individual must reach, I would think, on the basis of faith.

Some questions have also been raised about the nature of the sources that I've used, especially those documents written by former Seventh-day Adventists who left the church.  It is irresponsible, the argument goes, to use in a study of Ellen White the opinions of those who openly rejected her teachings.  But here I detect an inconsistency.  For years Seventh-day Adventists have applauded as excellent historical studies those biographies of Joseph Smith and Mary Baker Eddy which freely incorporate the views of individuals who eventually left Mormonism and Christian Science.  But it seems that when the same methodology is applied to Ellen White, it becomes, to quote a friend of mine, "wildly irresponsible."  Frankly, I'm puzzled by this attitude.  It seems to me that we get a perspective on Ellen White from the people who left the church that we cannot possibly get from those who stayed in the church, and it also strikes me that the tendency to distort is no greater on the part of the apostates than it is on the part of the disciples.

Lately, a number of individuals have asked me why I wrote this study.  There were, as always, several causes which prompted me to act this way.  The immediate cause was the need for interesting classroom material while teaching the history of medicine to the medical students at Loma Linda University.  Some of you who went through the initial experience of my teaching here will recall that all my lectures on ancient and medieval medicine were not well received, and I thought that in future years it might improve my standing as a teacher if I could incorporate some more recent material that related directly to the experience of the students, and so I decided that I would try to find out why a small group like the Seventh-day Adventists has become so committed to medical education and to health reform.  And it was to obtain this material that I first began my research on Ellen G. White as a health reformer.

However, the ultimate cause prompting me to write what I did was, I think, to discover the  truth.  It seems to me that if we are to base the most important decisions of our lives on the counsel of Mrs.White, we have a right, in fact a duty, to turn up all the information bearing on these various issues.  Ellen G. White is too important to us all to allow her or her immediate family any privacy, even, I would say, those sensitive documents between her and her children.  Ellen White, for Seventh-day Adventists, is an authority on child guidance and the Adventist home, I think it is crucial for us to know how, in fact, she operated as a mother and as a wife.  Parenthetically, I might add that I think the proper place to investigate these issues is in a Seventh-day Adventist university, and it does distress me that we are unable to do so, in fact, that it as impossible to hold this meeting on the campus of an Adventist University.

The most recent issue of Ministry Magazine contains an interview with Elder Bradley, who is Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Ellen G. White Estate.  The title is "Does the White Estate Suppress Secret Documents?"  In it Elder Bradley states:

We have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of.  We do not fear to let light shine into any aspect of the work of Ellen G. White.

And to this I could only say "Amen."  (Voice from the audience:  "Amen.")  Thank you.  Nice to know you have one person in the audience who agrees with you.  However, I must confess that my own experience with the White Estate fails to substantiate Bradley's statement.  It is not true, as Arthur White has recently asserted, that nothing was withheld from me, and I think it might be advantageous, briefly, to review my relationship with the Estate.  I first contacted the officials of the White Estate, specifically Elder Arthur White, in the summer of 1972, telling him that I would be coming East in a few weeks and was looking for material to incorporate in my historical lectures at Loma Linda University.  When I went there I discussed with him, also, my plans for publication.  He gave me some very sage advice at this time.  He said, "Do not make the mistake that others before you have made of trying to go to an outside publishers,"which I had suggested that I'd planned to do, "because," he said, "You will not make any money if you do so."

I don't know how many of you have worked within the White Estate, but perhaps I should say a word or two about the procedures.  The Estate does not allow browsing in their documents.  You must request a specific manuscript or letter.  It is then brought to you if it is not restricted.  You may read it, but you are not allowed to take notes.  If you see a passage you would like to use, you make a notation, bring it to the attention of the officials of the Estate; they then bring it before the Board of Trustees of the White Estate.  If they agree, then it goes before a Spirit of Prophecy Committee composed of officials of the church.  If they pass on it, the material is released and you have permission to use it.  During this initial contact with Elder White and his staff, they were most cordial. 

They granted me special permission not only to see many of the documents that I requested but, in effect, to browse through Ellen White's entire correspondence for the 1860s, which was the period I was particularly interested in, since her vision on health reform occurred in June of 1863.  During my discussions with Elder White at this time I told him I would be happy before publishing anything to send him a copy and receive his comments.  Later, I will return to a differing interpretation of this statement.  During this first visit I had only about a week to spend, and it was impossible for me to go through the procedure that was necessary with all the documents I wished to see; so I arranged with Elder White to have a number of other documents, which I specifically requested, sent to Loma Linda University where they would be used under the same restrictions that held in the White Estate.  Most of the documents which I requested were sent; however, five were withheld.  If any of you are interested:

       W-6-1863,
       W-4-1866,
       W-13-1871,
       W-21-1883,
       B-53-1888.

The explanation given me for this was, and I quote:  "In four or five instances we have withheld letters because of the highly personal nature of some of the contents of them."  But as I recall none of these letters involved anyone outside the White family.  They were not revelations about secret sins in other individuals' lives.

After going through these documents I submitted a lengthy release request to Elder White and the officers of the White Estate.  Shortly after submitting this request, Elder White came to Loma Linda to discuss my request.  He spent an entire afternoon with me and asked a number of rather pointed questions.   Before releasing this material he wanted to make sure how it would be used.   At one point he pulled out of his briefcase a copy of Mrs. White's little volume Appeal to Mothers, which was her first booklet on health in which she describes her revelations on masturbation,and he asked me, "Brother Numbers, do you believe this?"  And I told him that I thought this would be one of the most difficult documents to substantiate today.

He also explained why the White Estate would not be able to release one of the documents I had requested.  This document was a letter, as I recall, written by Mrs. White to the President of the General Conference, Elder A. G. Daniells, in the 1890s.  In the 1890s after a lapse of several decades Mrs. White once again enthusiastically embraced health reform and vegetarianism, and she suggested to the President of the General Conference that Seventh-day Adventists now begin to circulate an anti-meat pledge analogous to the temperance pledge that had gone over so well in the church.  Daniells, who had just returned from Europe, responded that this would be impractical, that such a device would undoubtedly split the church in two, and that certainly before circulating an anti-meat pledge we would  want to embark on an educational campaign.  Mrs. White subsequently backed down from this and at the next session of the General Conference endorsed Elder A. G. Daniells' view of things.

"Now," Arthur White said to me, "It would be very difficult for us to release this document to you because there are still some vegetarians in the church, primarily on the right wing, who would want to impose this upon the rest of us, and we could not allow this; so I am afraid you will not be able to quote it."

In July I received word from Arthur White saying that the Trustees and the Spirit of Prophecy Committee had approved most of my requests, but, and here again I quote, "In a very few cases the requests involved personal family matters and were of a character that we could see no good purpose that they would serve in releasing them for general use.  I must tell you frankly that it is difficult for us to understand how these could be of real service in reviewing the history of our health message, and we can see by some they could be misused.  I know that with the attitudes which are manifested by our own men in the history field that our action in this respect may seem unjustified, but we also stand before the church as a whole and must give an account for our stewardship in the handling of unpublished materials.  Now, Ron, you may feel I am a bit overwrought on this matter, but I've had some experiences down through the years which have shown how careful we must be in the releasing of unpublished materials to guard against distorted use."

Not released were:  (1) a passage from a letter (L-6-1864) describing Dr. James Caleb Jackson's physical and phrenological examination of Edson and Willie White, the two sons of Ellen White.  Phrenology, I might add for a few of you who are not acquainted with the subject, was the science of the mind very popular in early and mid-19th-century America which said that you could read the character of an individual by the bumps on the head.  For example, if any of you have a very large protrusion in the back of your head, you may be assured that you are having trouble controlling your "animal passions."  It's very desirable, however, to have prominent bumps up here where traits like reverence and benevolence are located.

A second document that was not released was a passage from W-11-1873 mentioning John Harvey Kellogg's view of James White as a monomaniac on money matters.  And a third one was D-162-1908 regarding Ellen White's anti-meat pledge.  I guess I should correct myself.  I had attributed that to the 1890s.  It was the next decade.

Also deleted from release was a passage relating to James White's mental health.  And over a year later, the White Estate still refused to release an account written by Ellen White on the 1870s in which she describes a vacation trip to the Rocky Mountains in which she and the members of her family dined on wild duck, the explanation being that since there was still some controversy among Adventists whether duck was clean or unclean, we would not want this information to get out until the matter was resolved.

I think it's important to note that not one of the documents not released was related to any revelation of personal sin in an individual's life, the Ellen G. White Estate's only publicly stated reason for withholding material.  The concern was solely in protecting a certain image of Mrs. White carefully constructed by the White Estate over a period of many years.

In April, 1974, I resubmitted my request for release of that paragraph of L-6-1864 relating to Dr. Jackson's examination of Edson and Willie White, pointing out at this time that the officials of the White Estate had repeatedly stated that the Trustees had no interest in restricting significant historical data but were concerned only with protecting confidential correspondence dealing with personal sins.  It seems to me, I said, that my request is in harmony with the stated policy of the White Estate.  Later that month, Elder White notified me that my second request for this document had also been denied by the Trustees.  Quote:  "The fact that Elder and Mrs. White, in connection with their visit to the Jackson institution, presented their children for a physical examination by a doctor which included a phrenological examination, is, in our opinion, a family matter and does not carry with it particular significance.  It is a singular case, an isolated case, and comes in for bare mention on the part of Ellen White."  End quote.

That same spring I learned that the staff of the White Estate had discovered and brought to the attention of Elder White Dr. Jackson's own handwritten description of Willie White's physical and mental characteristics.  When I subsequently visited the Estate, I asked Elder White if he knew of any documents besides L-6-1864 relating to Dr. Jackson's examination of the White boys.  He assured me in the presence of Elder Paul Gordon that he did not know that any such documents existed.  Later, during a second visit to the White Estate, I prevailed upon Elder Ron Graybill to show me this document.  I might add that subsequently in a phone conversation with Elder White I asked him why he had formerly denied that any such document existed, and he said, I quote, "I didn't know it existed at the time."  End quote.  I might also add that the paragraph from the 1864 letter relating to the examination of Willie and Edson White was released only after I had cited, but not quoted, that document in the second draft of my manuscript which was submitted to the White Estate for criticism.

It was in September of 1974 I sent Elder White a copy of my revised manuscript asking him for corrections and criticisms.  At the same time I sent a copy to the editors of Harper & Row, who had previously agreed to publish this volume when it was completed.  Elder White, upon learning that I had sent the manuscript simultaneously to him and Harper's, became irate, claiming that I had broken my earlier promise to submit anything I published before it was sent to the publisher.  I have on more than on occasion assured the people at the White Estate that I had said only that I would submit the document to them before it was published, which to me is significantly different from "before I sent it to the publisher."  But he seems to feel that his interpretation of my statement is more correct; so I'll let you decide.

Upon receiving the copy Elder White refused to read it, but, instead, locked it in the vault with the approval of the Trustees.  At the same time he wrote a letter to the editor-in-chief of Harper & Row stating his concern about this manuscript.  He later told the editors that he had written at this time because I had refused to let him read the manuscript, which was locked in his vault.  He expressed in his initial contact with the editors of Harper's his disappointment at not having an opportunity to examine my manuscript before it had been submitted for publication.  I assured him on the telephone that there was still ample time to change any factual errors that he discovered and that it was specifically for this that I was submitting the document to him.

Harper's granted Elder White and the White Estate until December 15 to go over my manuscript carefully and prepare a rebuttal to be submitted to me and to Harper & Row.  As a result of this agreement Elder Arthur White, Bob Olson,and Ron Graybill began collaborating on a line by line reply to my manuscript.  They were assisted in this endeavor for a period by Dr.Mervyn Hardinge of Loma Linda University, who served as their scientific consultant and authority on the history of medical education.  All told, the White Estate estimates that it spent approximately $5,000 in preparing his reply, the purpose of which was very clear -- to discredit my manuscript in the eyes of the editors of Harper's so that they would not publish the volume.

In November Elder White contacted Harper & Row again and said that they did not have sufficient time to prepare an adequate criticism and requested a six weeks' extension.  This was granted.  In January Elder White went to New York to spend the day with the editor-in-chief of Harper & Row armed with a briefcase full of documents, which he hoped would prove to the publishers that this was such an irresponsible work of history that they should have nothing to do with it.

In February Elder White returned to New York for a second visit to Harper's accompanied by Ron Graybill and Robert Olson, and this time they had with them their completed criticism of my study, a 220-page document.  When they got to the editorial offices, Arthur White laced their material on the desk of the editor and said, "We will give this to you under one condition, and that is if you will promise never to show it to Ron Numbers."  And the editor was, of course, baffled by this request and said he could not accept it under such conditions because what good would it do for him to have all this evidence if I could not benefit form it?  And Arthur White was insistent that I should not see it.  When Harper's failed to accede to his request, the officials of the White Estate retrieved their document, took it back to Washington, and with the approval of the Trustees decided that they would have no further intercourse with Harper's and myself.

The editor-in-chief of Harper's and I then wrote letters to the officials of the White Estate.  I pointed out that I thought we had been dealing with each other in good faith.  They had requested, we had not requested, the opportunity for them to delay publication, and we thought it was rather unfair of them at this time, unilaterally, to back out of their agreement, that it looked to some as if they were only trying to delay publication to give them additional time to prepare a reply.  Because of these responses the Trustees relented and agreed to let me see their criticisms, which I spent an entire week going over with Dr. Richard Schwarz of Andrews University and Elder Graybill, who were sent out to Madison, Wisconsin, by the White estate to help me interpret the significance of their criticisms and, I might add, to try and be sure that I did not become unduly upset with the ad hominem arguments that were sprinkled quite freely throughout the reply.

As a result of this very helpful and informative discussion with Dr. Schwarz and Elder Graybill, I made numerous corrections in the draft of my manuscript.  I think it's fair to say -- at least I cannot remember -- a single instance in which both of those men agreed that I had made a mistake that I did not change the material.  There were occasions where Graybill argued for one point and Schwarz and I disagreed that I went along with Schwarz, and similarly with Graybill.

Currently the White Estate is preparing a book-length reply, which I under- stand will soon be available.  But that's another story and I have already taken more of your time than I'm sure you wanted me to take, and we should go to the question period.


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JOHN  KONING.   John Koning, and I'm from Corona.  There are a few areas where, apparently, your conclusions and statements go beyond your sources or your references given, and this detracts from your book.  For instance, you didn't give the source of the gossipy little tidbit about Mrs. White considering some husband-swapping.  That one stands out as a sore thumb in my mind.

NUMBERS.   May I reply to that.  I assume you all heard the question.  There is a passage in my study where I allude to criticisms that were leveled against Sister White for having suggested that she and an Adventist sister swap husbands at a time when James White was impoverished and Brother Seneca King, I believe, was fairly well-to-do.  Now, the reason I mention this is solely to illustrate that during her own lifetime many controversies swirled about her, and the source for that was given.  It was a document published by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists that I cited.  There is also in that document, you probably read, the allegation that Mrs. White had illegitimate twins, I believe, one of whom was named Jesus.  And I think it's significant that the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church took these charges of wife-swapping and illegitimacy so seriously that they went out and gathered notarized documents proving that Mrs. White had not done this, and the source is there for anybody to check.  I'm sorry you missed it.

JERALEE SMITH.   You mentioned that you were interested in discovering truth as you did this study, and I'd just like to ask you if you felt that you did discover truth?  And, if so, how?  What type of truth,and how would you phrase it?

NUMBERS.   Well, I did not discover all truth, just a modest amount of truth, and I was asking very limited questions, namely, what relationship did Mrs. White's health reform ideas have to her contemporaries and how had her views on health change during her lifetime?  And I feel that I am closer today to understanding the answer to those questions than I was, say, three years ago when I began the study.  But there are many facets of Ellen White's life which I do not understand and which I would hope others would begin to investigate so that we would have a larger body of truth from which to make judgment regarding Mrs. White.

DICK KOOBS.   ... If she borrowed or had literary dependency, as you have suggested here, do you suppose that it had anything to do with the fact that James White did a lot of the reading as well as the writing for her?  That would be a first question because you have mentioned here, of course, that he took her very poor grammar and tended to straighten it out, and would he have been responsible for the similarities that you cite?

NUMBERS.   I would welcome very much the discovery of Mrs. White's own handwritten manuscripts from this period, but to my knowledge they do not exist.  So, it's difficult, it's impossible, to tell what was the content of her own draft and how much was added or changed by editors, whether they be James White or people at the publishing house.   We do know that in instances like this, fairly significant changes were made.   An Adventist historian not too long ago completed a fairly exhaustive study of Great Controversy and was lucky enough to find Ellen White's own handwritten draft of chapters of Great Controversy which he could then compare to the finished product, and you could tell what material had been polished and what material had been added or subtracted by others.  This document has been studied by the White Estate, or a committee that was appointed for the purpose, I think, for about two years now, and no report has been forthcoming.  [Donald R. McAdams.  Ellen G. White and the Protestant Historians.  Typewritten copy.  105 pages.  Very difficult to find copies of.  McAdams tried to call all copies back, and the White Estate never allowed its release.]  But this is the type of evidence I would have loved to have had with her health writings and I did not have.

KOOBS.   ... As I read the first part, the very nice background that you give to the health reform issues of the day, I thought this was most informative and enjoyed this.

NUMBERS.   Thank you.

KOOBS.   [But then] I had to back off and say, "Now, but how many people in the population of the US really knew what was going on? ...

NUMBERS.   It's of course impossible to tell in retrospect how widely known the views on health reform were.  We have a few indicators, however, for the population at large.  The Water-Cure Journal, which was one of the major publications in the area, was an extremely popular journal published by Fowler and Wells, very successful publishers in New York City.

KOOBS.   What was the circulation?

NUMBERS.   I'm not sure.

KOOBS.   If it were a hundred thousand, which was the largest, I think, you mentioned in your book of any of the things published, that wouldn't cover a very wide territory, would it?  Even in the 19th century?

NUMBERS.   No, but for periodicals that would be a major circulation.  Also, when we look at the circulation of Dr. L. B. Coles' book entitled Philosophy of Health, we know it went through forty-something editions, by which we mean printings, and as the reviewer in the Boston Medical and Surgical Journal said, "These people not only read the book but apparent eat them, so many of them are turned out."  Now, it's also difficult to determine how widely known these views were among Seventh-day Adventists.  I think one important clue we have to this is either James' or Ellen White's comment that after her June vision, as she traveled about the country preaching on health reform, repeatedly individuals, Seventh-day Adventists, came to her and said, "My, your views are so similar to the writings of Dr. Trall and Dr. Jackson.  Were you familiar with them?"  Well, the significance of this is that in order for Adventists to be asking that type of question, many of them would have had to be familiar not only with health reform literature in general, but with the writings of Trall and Jackson in particular.

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DICK RUHLING.   Dick Ruhling, School of Health.  Before asking my question, I would just like to make an observation.  I think it's interesting that Ellen White wrote that one of the very last deceptions of Satan would be to make of non-effect her testimony, and I think those that are here that would consider this evidence would like to consider the evidence on the other side of the coin.  I, just Thursday night, read Graybill's 27-page summary, which I found quite enlightening and substantial.  I'm glad to know that the White Estate is coming out with a more lengthy one that I understand is very valid also.  In regard to my question - - -

NUMBERS.   May I just comment on your previous statement?  I, too, have seen, have not read carefully, the paper prepared by Ron Graybill and given here, and I was very disappointed by it.  I do not feel that it accurately represents Elder Graybill's own opinions.   He has subsequently apologized to me for portions of that and has assured me that it will no longer appear under his name.

RUHLING.   Well, I think it will be interesting to read the facts, whether he believes them or not, because even the prophet Balaam spoke the truth though he no longer believed the truth.  I would just like to say, my question would in regard to why do men like Clive McKay, Professor of Nutrition and Head of the Department for a quarter of a century, claim in his review of Ellen White that he had a thousand cases in his files, yet one of the most amazing was Ellen White, who writing at the time that she did, didn't incorporate the fads and fallacies of her day but knew uncannily which to select and which to reject?   And there are similar testimonies.  We are just dealing - - -

NUMBERS.   May I just reply to that one?  I think that you would not place much reliance upon my statements as a nutritionist, and I would think, analogously, that you would place little confidence in Clive McKay's statements as a historian of medicine.  Obviously, the man was misinformed about 19th century history of medicine.  This was not his field.   He was speaking outside his field.  Had he known about it, I'm sure he would not have said what he did.

RUHLING.   He said that for a quarter of a century he taught a course for graduate students on the history of nutrition.  Now that would seem significant, in the first page of an eight-page review.

NUMBERS.   They teach a course in the history of nutrition at the University of Wisconsin [where Numbers now taught] but it would not be accepted as history.  There's a difference.

RUHLING.   We're dealing also, then, with merely one small area.  As a denomination we're known not only for a medical thrust but for an educational and evangelical thrust.  It seems highly significant to me that in the area of education Stratemeyer of Columbia University said that [Mrs. White] was fifty years ahead of her day in the concepts that she wrote regarding education - - -

NUMBERS.   Let me comment on that.  I think that if anybody would compare Mrs. White's counsel on education with the educational writings of the Fowlers, the publishers of the Water-Cure Journal, they would find the same striking parallels that I found between her writings on health reform and the writings of her contemporaries.

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ALAN CRANDALL.   I'm Alan Crandall.  I'd like to go back for just a moment to this matter of literary dependence.  You stated that ... you feel that Ellen White went out of her way to deny any dependence upon earthly sources.  It is true that she said that she was just as inspired in the writing out of her views as in receiving them, or something to that effect, but at the same time I think it's only fair to balance this statement with what she wrote in the preface of Great Controversy, where she unashamedly states that she often has borrowed the words of other writers when she felt that they expressed the views that she had been shown were true. 

And, also, I'd like to point out that ... the document prepared by the White Estate, in response to your book, has also pointed out that she had a column in one of our journals, I forget the name of it, in which she quoted many of these health reformers, giving them credit for their views, and many of these same passages eventually wound up in her own books.  Now, this hardly seems like she was trying to hide her dependence ....

NUMBERS.   I hope I remember all of your questions correctly.  First, I believe you said that in a preface to Great Controversy she unashamedly acknowledged her literary indebtedness.  I would point out that this was not in the first edition of the Great Controversy.  This was in a subsequent edition, after her unacknowledged use of historians I believe had created a great deal of consternation.  And so I am not sure whether the word "unashamedly" really applies in this instance.  I don't think it was voluntarily done.

Secondly, you point out that in a document prepared by the White Estate they say that in her Health Reformer column she incorporated material from other health reformers which later found its way into her health writings and that these were attributed to the health reformers.  I have not made a study of the ones where attribution is made and attribution is not made.  I do know, for example, though, that it was in her Health Reformer column that she talks about the dire effect resulting form wearing wigs over the lower part of the brain, which is based upon the work of Dr. Jackson's writings, I believe, which appeared not long before in the Health Reformer.  She does not give attribution in this particular instance; so I'm not sure how to respond to that.  You say that she was not trying to hide her indebtedness, because it was so obvious.  The people form whom she was taking this material, for example Coles and Horace Mann, were widely read, and if she was going to be sneaky about it, she would have taken from much more obscure sources.  You've raised a very interesting question.  I would point out that in the one study I have seen, by a psychiatrist name Phyllis Greenacre, who has studied pathological imposters, she points out that one of the remarkable characteristics of people who are imposters in history is that they leave, unconsciously, clues that will lead to their detection.  So, even if you took that extreme point of view, which I'm not taking, it would not be surprising to find that she is taking her material from widely known contemporaries.

Now, there is one other experience with which I'm familiar that I think bears upon this.  I'm not sure just what to make of it, but I'll share it with you.  I am working in the history of American science, and the first history of my field appeared only recently in the early 1970s written by a historian named George Daniels and published by Alfred Knopf.  George Daniels is a brilliant young historian, a full professor at Northwestern University.  Shortly after the book came off the presses, other historians noted that large passages from his history were taken word for word from other historians and not obscure historians, but historians who were friends of his who were surely to be referees, and in fact one was a referee and didn't even spot his own writings, and reviewers.

Now this discovery created a great deal of controversy.  Some historians immediately charged him with plagiarism and said, "We would not tolerate this among graduate students; we certainly cannot tolerate it from professors," and attempted to drive him out of the profession.  They eventually succeeded, and he is now selling antiques.

However, there were a number of historians who said, "Obviously George Daniels is not a fool, and George Daniels is not stupid enough to sit down and cavalierly copy from people who he knows are going to read his work."  He himself explained his research methods by saying that he had a photographic memory (whatever that means) -- he retains large passages of material without effort, I think is what he meant -- and that he wrote entire chapters of books or entire articles in a trancelike state and was not consciously aware of what he'd produced until after the fact.  Now, as I said, he lost the debate, he lost his job.  But I do think that his experience is strikingly parallel to the experience of Ellen White....

ARNOLD WALLENKAMPF.   My name is Arnold Wallenkampf....

I want to refer to the question of the E. G. White statements that definitely reflect the essence of contemporary statements.  My first question is, what was the literary custom in her day?  Today we are quite careful in giving credit, certainly, for quoted material, and even for ideas that we reflect even though they are not direct statements.  What was the custom in her day with reference to this?  I'm asking this question purposely, because where I have been teaching the last few years, I saw good students time after time quote long passages verbatim with no credit, and it never occurred to them that any acknowledgment should be made.  And so what was the custom in the day when Mrs. White wrote, with regard to this?

NUMBERS.   I might add that if parts of my presentation appeared a little ragged, it's because I spent a large portion of the day before I came out here dealing with a student who had plagiarized a paper, who was supposed to graduate this weekend, and I agree that it continues to be a problem with us, however not condoned.

I have not seen any comprehensive studies of literary dependence in the 19th century.  I do know a few things, however.  One is that plagiarism, if you want to use that term -- that is, you know, the conscious borrowing of material from others without giving credit -- was not morally condoned in the 19th century.  Many quarrels were created during this period because individuals persisted in doing this.  Now, I also have evidence that the Seventh-day Adventists did not condone this.  There is an article which I cite in a footnote in my study that appeared in the Review and Herald in the mid-19th century entitled, I believe, "Plagiarism."  And in this essay the editors of the Review and Herald are taking to task a non-Adventist woman who appropriated some lines from a poem or song written by Annie Smith, a Seventh-day Adventist poet.  And they made it very clear to any reader that that type of unacknowledged borrowing of literary property was unethical and wrong ...

WALLENKAMPF.   Then, one more observation.  Mrs. White stressed repeatedly that she was not dependent upon contemporary views in her presentations, even though they did resemble some of those views.  Our good friend here referred to Great Controversy.   She says that what she wrote in Great controversy had been given her in repeated visions, and she wrote or portrayed in that book what she had seen, and then later on when she found historical sources, or others pointed historical sources to her that backed up her views, then she admits that she used these.  But she says, "I was not dependent on this.  I'm only using this because it happens to agree with a vision I have seen."  So even though she used this, there would not be dependence, as I see it ...

NUMBERS.   ... I think the problem with your Great Controversy episode comes where she incorporated historical errors.  If she used this material because it corresponded with what she had seen in vision, then why did she not correct what contemporary historians, mid-20th-century historians, see as historical errors in the material?  This is something that is clearly evident in the study I alluded to which was submitted to the White Estate a couple years ago.

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LINDSAY GREEN.    Do you think the vaults will be open more to
lay people, now that this book is out and causes controversy? 
I've written for material and still haven't received it.  That's why
I wondered.

NUMBERS.   I really don't know.  The Ellen White Estate has not asked for my suggestions on how they should handle their materials.  It would seem to me, however, that it would save a lot of trouble if they would at one fell swoop release all the material that they don't want to restrict and make it open to everybody.  I think that this would avoid a number of embarrassing questions that are asked.  It would avoid the long time that it takes to go through the various committees to get a release.  And it just seems to make a lot of sense to me.  You could probably save a salary or two at the White Estate by doing this, but I doubt if they are going to do that.

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FRED WOUDENBERG.   ... Can you give me a quotation where she says she didn't borrow from other people? ...  Do you have a quotation where she says that?  Otherwise, your claim that she claimed independence of other sources would not be justified.  I would be very serious in this.

NUMBERS.   The answer to the last question is "yes."  There are sources that I can give you after this meeting where she does claim independence in her health reform writings.


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Ellen G. White

Early Critics
       
Lucinda Burdick
       O.R.L. Crosier 
       Snook & Br'hoff
       H. E. Carver  
       Miles Grant
       Charles Lee 
       Blanchard 
       Norwich Tract 

Men of Battle Creek 
       A. T. Jones - 1
       A. T. Jones - 2 
                .
       "To those who
       are perplexed"

       David Paulson 
       William Sadler 
       Charles Stewart 
       A. T. Jones 
                .
       JHK Interview 
       Merritt Kellogg 
       A. T. Jones - 3 

Later Critics 
       A. F. Ballenger
 
       E. S. Ballenger 

 
 

Wm. Miller / 1844
      

      
An Exposition of
       the Prophecies,
       Supposed by Wm.
       Miller to Predict
       the Second
       Coming in 1843
       (1840)
      
       Miller Over-
       thrown:  Or, the
       False Prophet
       Confounded
       (1840)
      
       Canright on Wm.
       Miller
       (1889)

 

The Shut Door
      

      
The Camden
      
Vision Genuine
       (1979) 

 

The Sanctuary
      

      
Canright on the
      
Sanctuary
       (1889; 1919) 


      
Cast Out for the
       Cross of Christ
       (1909) 

 

The Sabbath
 
       
The $200 Text:
       A Written Dis-
       cussion of the
       Sabbath

 



The Reason Why

Introduction   
Chapter 5 
      Example A

            .
      More on EGW &
       Daniel March
           
.


Example A has about
40 pages on
E. G. White's copying from D. March.

"More on EGW & Dan- iel March" has another
5 that serve as a sum- ming up.



The Bible & the
Bible Only

#  1 - The Millennium

#  2 - The Seven 
         Churches of
         Revelation

#  3 - Precious Gems
         from the
         Scriptures

#  4A - The 70 Weeks
         of Daniel 9

#  4B - The 70 Weeks:
         More Evidence

#  5 - God's Rest

#  6 - Armegeddon

#  7 - The Image to 
         the Beast

#  8 - The Flying 
         Scroll

#  9 - The Scroll with
         the Seven Seals

#10 - The 1st & 2nd
         Resurrections

#11 - The Lamb-like
         Beast

#12 - The Rapture:
         Is it Scriptural?

#13 - The Israelites:
         From Calvary
         to Canaan

#14 - The Sinaitic
         Covenant

#15 - Satan's Life
         Cycle

#16 - The 3 Angels'
         Messages

#17 - The Second
         Coming

#18 - Are God's
         Promises All
         Conditional?

#19 - The 144,000

#20A - Everlasting
         Hell Fire

#20B - Our Immortal
         Soul

#21 - How Are We
         Born Again?

#22 - Jewelry and
         Meat Eating

#23A - Everlasting
         Gospel

#23B - What Harm
         Has Been Done?

#24 - The Seal of God
         and the Mark
         of the Beast

#25 - The Day of
         the Lord

#26 - Once Saved,
         Always Saved?

#27 - The Seventh day
         versus Sunday

#28 - The Awesome
         Statue of Dan. 2

#29 - Is the Sabbath
         Commandment
         Abolished?

#30 - The Doctrines
         of Demons

#31 - Is God for Real?

#32 - The Lord's
         Remnant

#33 - The 3 Temples

#34 - The Heavenly
         Pregnancy

#35 - The 2 Witnesses

#36 - The Shut Door

37A - God's Restora-
          tion of literal
          Israel

37B - Replacement
          Theology

38A - Dispensational-
          ism   Part One

38B - Dispensational-
          ism   Part Two

#39 - Beasts of Dan. 7

#40 - Beasts of Dan. 8

#41 - The Best Dry
          Bones

 
 


Personal Experi- ences

Former SDAs  
       
D. M. Canright 
       Henry Brown 
       Harold Snide 1 
       Harold Snide 2 
       Monica Vowless 
       Pat Darnell 
       Ron Numbers 
       Jim Moyers 
       Paul Cales 
       Geneva Chinnock
       Wallace Slattery
       Tom Durst
       Jack Gent

Others  
      
A WCG Couple
       Mormon #1
 
                 .
      
Letters to Mor
       mon #1

                  .
 
       Mormon #2 
       Mormon #3 
       Mormon #4 

      
A JW
 

LINKS  --  for further reading