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Another that Left

the LDS

 


The following is by a man who was a Mormon for 31 years.
 


 
My family joined the church when I was ten & I was a member for 31 years.  On my mission in Southern California, while defending the faith & working with some wonderful members, I was exposed to many of the "weird" doctrines I had never heard before.  I ignored those doctrines after I had gone to a local institute director at Long Beach State University, and he had minimized those "weird" arguments by saying they were tools of the devil and used frequently by anti-Mormons who misquoted the prophets.

I returned home in 1974, entered college, and got married to Cindy in the LA Temple in November 1975.  I was very active in the little church branch where the college was located.

In 1978 I was quite surprised to learn that the brethren had decided to ordain blacks to the priesthood.  I was not disturbed that blacks could not serve in the church as priesthood holders, but disturbed because Brigham Young (BY) prophesied that the blacks would never hold the priesthood until after Christ came at His second coming.  This was the first evidence to me of conflicting doctrines given by general authorities of the church that were supposedly revelations from God.  This also brought to memory those conflicting doctrines that were minimized by the institute director, while on my mission.  Even though this bothered me, I stayed active and began to pray and study harder for personal understanding.

The following years were spent in reading church books and the standard works to resolve these conflicts.  The more I studied and read, the more questions arose and less answers were available.  In 1985, I told Cindy there were many issues in the church which concerned me.  This upset her greatly because she was taught in Relief Society that doubts could sometimes be the symptom of a greater personal sin such as infidelity.  Even though Cindy knew I had always been faithful to her, she was extremely bothered that I questioned the church and lacked a strong testimony.  Whenever we argued, it was always about my lukewarm testimony compared to those other "spiritual" priesthood holders in the ward and my own testimony before 1978.

Cindy had grabbed hold of the "romantic" notions of the eternal family doctrine because she was raised in a very bad family and was looking for a method of having a better family of her own.  As a convert she was sure the church had the true family system.  Consequently, Cindy was not tolerant of my doubts, so once again I suppressed them & plead "insanity."  Continuing on, I studied and remained active while serving in various callings such as, the Young Men's program; the Bishopric; Sunday School; assistant institute teacher; seminary teacher; and an advisor to the High Priests.  I loved reading everything on Joseph Smith and gave firesides to the youth, giving spiritual and funny events of his life.  I even named my first born son after the prophet Joseph.

In 1990 the temple rituals were changed.  Now my wife saw the political changes for the first time.  Sure I noticed the big changes such as the penalties being dropped etc., but I already knew it was a joke.  She noticed the subtleties I would have never noticed without her help.  Things like, in the pre-1990 version, Eve always looked to Adam for her guidance. In the 1990 version, Eve also looked to heaven & even spoke more.  That alone was a major doctrinal shift if one knew the control the organization exercised over women and still does today with its romantic families are forever nonsense.

In 1992 Cindy went to her alma mater to BYU Education week.  I could not go due to work constraints.

She attended a variety of lectures and came home uplifted and said what a spiritual experience it was.  Cindy went on how she desired me to go the following year because she felt strongly it would have a positive effect on me and my testimony.

So in the summer of 1993, I accepted her challenge and drove to Utah with my two daughters, who were 15 and 17 years old at the time.  When I attended a lecture on Joseph Smith (JS), the professor gave an anecdote about Joseph's life that disturbed me deeply.  The experience was about an entry in Willard Richards diary.  Bro. Richards was telling of a time when he and Joseph were leaving the Mansion house to go to the church office.  The diary entry stated how Joseph's faithful wife, Emma, asked Joseph if he was practicing Plural Marriage.  The diary then told that Joseph answered "No."  After they left the Mansion House and walking to their office, Bro. Richards asked Joseph why he had lied to Emma.  Joseph said Emma would never accept polygamy and he would have to go to Hell to save her.  The audience was so impressed that Joseph had the power over hell as "The prophet of the restoration", and that he loved his wife so much as to go to hell to save her soul.

I could not believe my ears!  Did I miss something?  If I remember correctly, didn't 2Nephi 9:34 say "Woe unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell"?  This was the last straw.  I had two daughters on this campus and my wife at home, who's own self esteem was becoming co-dependent on the Brethren and the romance of their evil doctrines.

I did not attend many more sessions of education week.  Instead I went to the BYU bookstore, BYU library, Deseret Bookstores, and the Deseret News.  I confronted the BYU History Professor, Susan Easton Black, and asked her about the four versions of JS's first vision.  She said she could not answer it and told me to consult Dean Jesse, the Seventy over church history in Salt Lake.  I asked her about one of her self professed specialties, which was Mormons and Masonry.  Before I asked my questions on Masonry, I asked about her background on the subject.  Here I was seeking answers and Susan, the self professed expert, who had written on the subject and had a Ph.d. in History, said she had only read Mormonism and Masonry by McGavin.  She did not know about the Catholic Monastic Templars that had preceded the Free Masons of 1314.  She still believed that the temple rituals of Masonry and Mormonism where based on Solomon's Temple.  Little did she know that the temple rights were secret codes used during the crusades by those Catholic Templars to determine who was friend or foe.  Similarly, military engagement codes are used by today's allies to identify each other during tactical maneuvers.  And she is supposed to be the expert of BYU, and the only source she had was reading one book authored by a Mormon.  If this is research, give me a break!

Following the advice of Susan (since she couldn't explain why JS had 4 different versions of the first vision), I called Dean Jesse to see if he could give me an answer.  He avoided the discussion over the phone, but said he would mail me a pamphlet on the subject.  I received the pamphlet, A Sure Foundation - Answers to Difficult Gospel Questions.  On page 169 it said the four versions of Joseph Smith's first vision could be compared to the four separate testimonies of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John of Christ.  I had been on the debate team in college and had also been to court many times due to my profession, and this was the most stupid analogy I had ever heard in my life.  The Bible had four different individual's testimony, which all agreed on the identity of Jesus Christ, His life and teachings.  JS gave four different testimonies of the same event that did not agree on any material issue.  In fact, any fair court on earth or in heaven, would deem JS a liar.  Wake up, Bro. Jesse!  What is really interesting on this issue is that Oliver Cowdery (who had been living with JS and Emma in those early years), had written a letter to encourage Brigham Young and his brothers to come and meet the prophet.  In that letter, Oliver said that JS told him in his first vision it was Nephi that delivered the message and told Joseph to join none of the other churches.  It wasn't until 1838 (6 years later) that the story had evolved to the point that the "Heavenly Personage" was none other than Christ and God the Father.

Next my research took me to Deseret News where I obtained a copy from the original newspaper of many of the Adam-God discourses written by Brigham Young (BY).  I was told by my last Bishop and the institute director (on my mission) that BY was misquoted.  Now, does anyone think that BY, who had an authoritarian personality like Sudam Hussein, would let his newspaper misquote him?  If anyone reads one page of BY in the Journal of Discourses, one would know that nobody crossed Bro. Brigham, so I doubt the newspaper would misquote a handwritten document of BY.  If they had, there would have been some evidence of a retraction by the newspaper shortly thereafter.  The reason why there never was any retraction, is because BY loved the Adam-God Doctrine.  In the newspaper, a sermon by Brigham Young, dated June 14, 1873, Brigham Young said, (to paraphrase), that God had revealed to him, that Adam was our Father and God, and that he was the literal Father of Jesus Christ.

I had read the book The Great Apostasy by James E. Talmage while on my mission.  As I researched Mormonism it brought back to my mind the discoveries of Talmage about Catholic history: its deceit, its revisions of history, and its control of its ignorant and faithful masses.  The very thing Talmage had criticized about Catholicism, the church had been doing since its beginning, too.

Driving home from BYU, I was still studying and pondering the above issues (unknown to my daughters).  The girls were oblivious as to what was going on in my heart.  They were so excited about BYU education week, the things they had learned, and the boys they had met.  We even stopped in Nauvoo .

On the long drive home I shed many tears as the evidence grew showing the deceit and manipulation of the brethren in Salt Lake.  I also worried how Cindy would accept the information I would confront her with and wondered if this would break up our marriage and ruin our family.  I could only depend on God because Cindy had known that I was only seeking truth, not power or inactivity.  Cindy asked me to do one thing when I left for BYU Education Week and that was not to come home lukewarm about my testimony.

When I arrived home Cindy wanted to know how everything went.  I said fine, but I was continuing to read many of the church books I bought at the BYU bookstore while there.  The final blow came when I read the life of Orin Porter Rockwell, whom I loved to read about.  In the account, Porter told his wife that he had shot Governor Boggs of Missouri.  He told her all the facts and that is why the brethren kept Joseph and Porter confined within the city limits of Nauvoo to protect them from the mobs and extradition to Missouri.  Well, I put that book down and went downstairs to my library and took out the book The Life of Joseph Smith, The Prophet by George Q. Cannon, an "apostle of God."  In this book, Bro. Cannon said the accusations from the people of Missouri, that a Mormon had shot Governor Boggs, was not true.  Instead, he wrote that Gov. Boggs was shot by an enemy of the church to increase the persecution of the saints.  Well here is another candidate for hell who was also a "profit," seer, and revelator.  I could not stop there, so I called Sister Susan Easton Black in Utah, to see if this history was correct.  I asked her specifically, "Do you think Porter Rockwell shot Gov. Boggs?"  She said "Yes, I believe so."  My heart sank.  I had been up every night until early hours reading for about two weeks.  Cindy was concerned, but was not sure what to think.  After the Rockwell issue had surfaced I could not keep it in.

I couldn't understand why my father didn't research before joining the church.  He was well liked by the local brethren and people, yet I wondered why I had never seen him in humble prayer.  I thought again about the manipulation my daughters would go through when they took the oaths and covenants.  I remembered my wife's efforts to relate to God as a second class citizen.  Her fate was to be sealed in a group to some man who did not know her heart like I did, if I did not keep straight on the path.  This drove her to extreme insecurity as I questioned.  All she could remember was Eve looking to Adam for her place in the Celestial Kingdom.  She was killing herself to be perfect and to keep me perfect, so I could be worthy to take her and the kids back "To our home in the sky."  That alone is why Mormonism is wicked.  I did not want this for my girls.

Then I thought about my sons and their desire to be like Dad; to be totally worthy to serve a mission and go marry in the Temple.  What about their potential heartache when they returned home after a mission, only to find me inactive.  Worse would be the possibility in their adulthood of having a family of their own, and discovering what I now knew, disrupting their own family's life.  Finding out the hidden lies and not knowing what to do or where to go because of the guilt one feels for doubting, then leaving when so entrenched in this bizarre "Fraternity."  I could not do to my sons what my father did to me.

I decided to present my case to Cindy and prayed that she would be receptive.  I was prepared to leave the church alone, but I did not want to lose her and the children, as threatened twelve years earlier.  She could go to church if she was not convinced, but I refused to ever go back since I could not support a lie.  I had to do this so my children would see my convictions.

One evening I called Cindy into my study.  I began to weep as I presented the awful facts before her.  She listened and wept too.  It took hours to present.  When I was finished, to my dismay, she wanted to talk to the Bishop to try to find answers.  Of course being a fair debater, I could only acquiesce.

The Bishop was BIG TIME concerned!  Here was his assistant advisor to the High Priests asking questions he could not answer.  There were other considerations, too.  I was the CPA for many members of the church and long time friends to most of them.  One of the children had performed as Annie in the Annie Play in Atlanta Theaters, she also sang at the Hawks Games.  The other children had performed on radio, and on TV Commercials.  In addition, he had set up a youth fireside for me to do a JS act.  I am sure he was concerned about our salvation most of all.  He tried to help answer Cindy questions.  He brought up our oldest daughter's personal problems to remind Cindy that our daughter's salvation depended on forgiveness by the church.  Cindy brought all these issues back with her.  She asked me to go with her to talk to the Bishop because she could not remember all the questions.  I consented because this was her time to search.

The bishop could not answer the issues so he arranged an interview with the Stake President "Gibby."  Gibby was the Bishops senior (ex-military) pilot at Delta.  He was from Provo and the "anti-mormon nemesis."  This encounter was not something I looked forward too.  But I was a debater from college so I was confident I could plead my case in a logical manner.  If he could help me find truth, I was willing.  Particularly since Cindy was going to come, as was the Bishop.

I was working late so we arranged to meet at the Stake Center at 10 o'clock a.m.  The Bishop escorted Cindy and I to the office.  Cindy was nervous, as was I.  Gibby had the Bishop open the meeting with prayer.  The Bishop sat to my right and Cindy to my left and Gibby in front.  Then he opened with the general question of "What's the problem?"  I stated that the issues at hand were:

1) plural marriage and Joseph's promiscuity before the revelation,

2) the four versions of first vision,

3) the proof that the Book of Abraham was not only translated incorrectly, it was also 2000 years out of sync with history,

4) Brigham Young's Adam God doctrine,

5) the Blood Atonement doctrine.

I am not going to go into the evidence or arguments except to say #3 was the least researched and Gibby shut me down on that one, because he brought up one fellow's (Nelson) credibility -- issues for which I had no counter argument at the time.  I had not read the book By His Own Hand upon Papyrus by C.M. Larson at that time.  Please remember that all of my research was from material within the church except for item #3.  It was only a side issue at the time.  It is a primary weakness for the church as I found out later.

During the discussion I asked Gibby if I could bring out my evidence so we could look at the specifics.  To my surprise he said "No."  He said that he did not bring his papers so I could not bring out mine.  I said "Well, you asked for this meeting; do you not care to get to the specific problems and what created them?"  He simply said we could discuss them anyway.  So we began.  We began with plural marriage.  My questions were to the point.  His answers were directed to my wife.  He would never look at me as he answered any question.  He went on a diatribe about how he was from a fine Utah Polygamy family and how his grandmother was so faithful even when she was refused a space in the main house by the first wife.

He went on to tell how his grandmother had to get money from her own uncle to feed her children because the first wife would not allow the husband to give money to feed his "illegitimate" children.  In spite of those trials the Gibby is the best Mormon stock.  I was not sure if he was against me or for me.  He was not helping his case with my wife because I knew my wife hated polygamy and now he was giving her another reason to hate it.

The discussion went on for about 2 hours.  Since he had no facts to confront my questions, he finally looked into my wife's eyes and said "If you continue in this direction, you will lose your family forever and you will be divorced in two years."  I was angry.  He had cut me off several times during our discussion telling me not to interrupt him when I was only trying to stay with facts not stories and feelings.  I apologized each time to my "superior" to let him talk on as he sank his own ship.  But now with his comment to my wife, he had hit her where she was most vulnerable: her "eternal" family.  I controlled my temper and was polite.  I asked no more questions.  The rhetoric was winding down for the defense and I was ready to go.  He finished as before speaking to Cindy.  Then the good old missionary trick "ask the most receptive party on the offense to give a sincere closing prayer and ask God that truth be revealed to each one there."  Then he added the final salvo that would eventually seal his case in defeat.

My wife was holding on to an experience that consisted of a shocking feeling she had felt when she was 18 and she had prayed about the church, as the missionaries had asked her to do.  Now Gibby said, looking at Cindy, "Don't trust your feelings," (yea, right) "that burning in the bosom in D&C Section 9 is for translation purposes only.  Pray for truth."  (Boy, even I had not heard that argument before.)  He was afraid she would be influenced by me and he wanted to nip that problem in the bud, before she prayed.  However, he forgot that she can read and she can reason without me.

She was still caught in the emotions of the meeting and said a sincere prayer and wept as she exposed her vulnerable heart and the insecurities Gibby had laid wide open.  I did not cry because I was so angry at the manipulation.

As we left together, Cindy was quiet.  I walked her to her car.  She had driven from her nursing course at college in a separate car.  I said quietly to her, "Cindy I think I lost you in there."  She looked at me with tears in her eyes and said "But it is so beautiful."  I said, "It seems that way.  I wish I had recorded the meeting so you could review it on your own.  You could hear that he never answered the facts that were mentioned, such as the doctrinal changes, JS's promiscuity before the Everlasting Covenant of Marriage was revealed, the fact certain sins are not covered by Christ's atonement, the statement that JS said that he was greater than Christ, the fact JS sounds more like David Koresh than Samuel, a real prophet.  He only spoke to you and pulled your heart strings."

To my surprise she turned to me and said she had taped it.  I could not believe it.  She had her little recorder she used in college on in her pocket the whole time.  I told her I did not want to hear it.  I said, however, that she should listen to it by herself and remember the evidence he would not allow me to show and to listen to the answers to the issues he had given or failed to give.  She said she had taped it really to use against me to keep me on the "straight path" if the answers from Gibby were conclusive.  I told her that was OK by me if she believed Gibby was correct.

I did not talk to Cindy about that night for two weeks.  She finally came to me one evening and said, "Bill, I am ready to leave; where do we go from here?"  I simply said, "I don't know, but for now away from Mormonism."

I hope this experience will help anyone like you have helped me.  I know it was long but it has been bottled for a long time.  I would be glad to tell the excommunication, or post Mormon experience, if anyone is interested upon request.  I pray for you all and I know it is hard but worth it.

 

 

 
Rounding out Bill's story is the following from the testimony of his wife.
 


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Nine years into our marriage, Bill dropped the "bomb shell."  We were having our usual "pillow talk" in bed after the kids fell asleep & he said "I have something I need to tell you & I don't know how you're going to take it."  I couldn't fathom what could be such a big deal. He told me that he had doubts about the church for awhile but couldn't keep it inside any longer.  I was devastated & couldn't believe my ears.  He knew my whole life was the church & these doubts threatened our "eternal family."  Even though he shared various issues, I told him he needed to have more faith & suggested reading the Book of Mormon more & attend the temple regularly.  I feared that maybe he had transgressed spiritually due to some terrible sin.  Over the course of the next nine years our marital arguments were always about the church.  I even threatened divorce several times & told him to get his act together spiritually.   I "knew" the church was true, and his stupid questions were not going to divide our family spiritually.  I grew up with nothing spiritual as a kid & I wanted our children to have parents united with the same belief system.  I found myself reading his patriarchal blessing over and over again because there were so many wonderful promises & what a spiritual giant Bill was.  I also fasted regularly for those many years begging Heavenly Father to bless Bill with a strong testimony like mine.  If he had touched Alma the younger along with the sons of Mosiah (in the Book Of Mormon), then he could give Bill a testimony.  The more Bill questioned, the more I overcompensated to our 4 children by being even more "spiritual."  Bill's love & patience for me during these years was always constant.  He still attended church to pacify me & went through the motions of "activity."  In 1993 he told me he was driving out to Utah to find answers to his questions & that if these doubts were not resolved, he was going to leave the church.  He told me if I wanted to divorce him then to go ahead but he could no longer ignore nor escape these questions and issues that troubled his testimony for so many years.  Knowing Bill to be such a great man of integrity, I felt for his yearning for truth.  I told him whatever his decision was when he came back home I would support him.  I was hopeful that education week would do the trick, but continued to pray in behalf of his spiritual welfare.

Bill's trip out to Utah with our daughters was a fiasco due to car problems & he missed 4 out of the 5 days of education week.  On his return trip home they all went to Nauvoo & visited the sights there.  He didn't say much nor comment on his "journey for truth" trip.  He bought 6 books (from BYU & the Deseret Bookstores) & for the next 2 weeks stayed up reading until 4 and 5:00 AM.  Bill had never read any anti-Mormon literature; all of his questions & doubts came from "Mormon literature" he purchased while on his mission and thereafter.  The more he read these 6 books, the more he'd cross reference with books in his Mormon library.  Five separate occasions he woke me up at 3 and 4:00 AM to share with me things he read that confirmed to him the church was one big lie.  He said he would never step foot in the Mormon church again & was outraged at what he discovered.  The more Bill unloaded on me, I realized that he was right and I would support him on his exit out.  I was serving as a counselor in the young women's organization & we had attended the ward in our county for close to 10 years.  We were thought of as the "model" family & were loved by so many. 

When I phoned the Bishop to tell him we were leaving the church & why, he was shocked, as well as everyone else.  Bill told our Bishop & stake President the reasons, but our discoveries & search for truth meant nothing to them.  We were told that if we read the book of Mormon, D&C and Pearl of Great Price we would know the church was true.  I thought to myself, "What about the Bible?"  The news quickly traveled through out the ward after we left & the members were shocked.  Our daughter was told at school that Bill must have committed adultery to leave the church and do this to his family.  Another person told me that he was going through a mid-life crisis or probably was suffering from a chemical imbalance.  My last meeting attended was a "New Beginning's" program for the girls.  I had 12 MIA maid girls I had been with for 2 years & we were all so close.  Some of the girls had found out from my girls at school we were leaving the church & they sobbed uncontrollably.  We attended our excommunication & that was difficult as we sat among what I thought were friends we had made over the course of many years.  I bore my testimony of Jesus Christ & that I knew he lived; my Savior was the redeemer in the Bible and no longer the "Mormon one."  My bishop looked at me crying (along with some of the other brethren) & said there were so many wonderful things in the church & was it all so bad.  I looked him in the eye & crying said, "Bishop, I love my husband because I trust him, but if I found out that even though he treated me good 95% of the time, & was only unfaithful to me 5% in our marriage, the 95% of "wonderful" couldn't compensate for any percentage of deceit or a lie.  Yes the church has a lot of wonderful things like great primary & young men & women's organizations as well as other things, but all the wonderful things mean nothing when you find out the whole thing is based on a lie, especially when it comes to the identity of Christ.  The church was made up & created by Joseph Smith who was a lost soul & out for control & it has had over 100 years to work all the bugs out so when new converts hear the "restored gospel", it sounds so wonderful & Christian, but it's Satan himself leading people down the wrong path & away from the true Christ.  Members are so busy working and serving that they become dependent on their church leaders to be "spoon fed" any thing from the pulpit & never read or search on their own."

No trial or event in my life could have prepared me emotionally for our exit out.  The church leaders got wind of Bill & I speaking publicly in different churches about the falsehoods of Mormonism & why it is a cult.  Our names were mentioned over the pulpit in the ward & for people to "beware" of us.  Our accounting firm that we had struggled to develop for over 5 years, was gone in 2 weeks because our member clients were told to stay away from us.  I couldn't believe the shunning the children and us experienced.  Dear friends, would see us in the grocery store or movie theater & walk out.  The children & Bill & I lost every one of our friends but more devastating than losing friends & our accounting firm was feeling betrayed by God.  I felt forsaken and abandoned; if he loved little children so much, why did he allow me to be deceived by an organization when I tried to be so good and find truth.  Why did I have to be a faithful member for 21 years to find out it was all in vain.  Why didn't the Lord lead us out when our children were young instead of now when all 4 were teenagers & lost everyone of their close friends.  Where would we go spiritually from here & what would we teach our children.  I worshipped & prayed to the wrong God, so what were His attributes since He wasn't the Mormon god which was a "man who lived on a planet with many wives & became a God of his own world"; who was He for real?

The whole experience in leaving was difficult for our children emotionally.  We had just recovered a few years back from bankruptcy (a Mormon partner had stolen $40,000 from us & we had lost everything; our beautiful home, cars, & credit) that took a huge toll on our family and now this mess.  Bill's side of the family offered little support since they were all devout members of the church.  With no job, no friends, no church "home" anymore, the stress caused our oldest daughter to drop out of school her senior year & run away from home.  Come to find out Bill's whole side of the family had "rescued her" from her terrible fate & sent her to England without telling us a word, while we worried sick about her whereabouts.  They justified their actions since we were "apostates" & our misfortune of events was due to our own rebellion against the church.  Bill's brother never told him that he & his wife were expecting a baby & when it came, we & the other 3 children were forbidden to see it or have anything to do with his family.

With no support anywhere I became extremely depressed.  I shared with one minister who told me I was having a pity party & feeding my own pathology.  His LACK of words of wisdom & compassion made my pain even worse because there was no where to go.  My parent's love and acceptance had been conditional my entire life, & now all my best friends in the church had abandoned me since I was no longer the "perfect" Mormon with the "happy active family" facade.

I no longer felt like a special child of God; instead I felt like a useless human being with no purpose or direction to go.  God has billions of people He has created & I was only 1; why should my life matter to me if I felt it didn't matter to Him.  My despair became so great that my depression caused me to alienate myself from Bill and the children for several weeks.  At least when we went through the bankruptcy & lost everything I still had my testimony & purpose for life, and now there was nothing to fall back on at all.  I locked myself in my room and cried for hours at a time.  My pleas to God were tears of anger as I yelled bitterly in my room over and over again, "WHY?" "Why did you allow me to be deceived! Why, why, Why!!!"  I was so ticked off with God & yet I cried in the same breath over and over again, "Help me.  Please help me.  Don't abandon me."  I just couldn't believe the feeling of betrayal & hatred I felt for the church leaders in Salt Lake who care nothing for the salvation of man, & just keep perpetuating falsehoods and lies when they have got to know that it's all a farce!  They have become so callused to truth as they rake in the millions of dollars sent in from faithful church members like myself, while we serve ourselves to death for the "kingdom."  It was hard to realize that the church is nothing more than a multi-million dollar corporation bilking its members of tithing money & offerings to keep the church rich.  We had a stake president tell us, "There isn't a damn thing true about the church, but it's the best place to raise a family."  Bill told him how could it be the best if it was all a lie; didn't he care anything about truth.  Church is supposed to be a place to learn about the things of God to help you in your Christian walk; it isn't a fraternity.  My father told me I was a fanatic & why did I let religion rule my life. He said to just go on with my life and be happy.  I told him that for me personally, without a belief in Christ there is no hope because He knows me better than I know my own self.  My belief in God & acceptance of Him at the age of 10 carried me through a difficult childhood & gave me purpose and hope in a world that is filled with a lot of hopelessness & pain.

My children came to me crying saying they were afraid they were becoming atheists.  I told them to hang on to those prayers that we knew were answered (& I pointed out several of them) & to please not to throw "the baby out with the bath water" so to speak; don't throw away your belief in God just because Mormonism wasn't true.  Somehow God would see us through.

Church hopping & learning about different religions & churches was overwhelming.  Being out of the church almost 3 years now has been difficult with time.  I no longer look at the cup "half empty" as far as God is concerned, but feel it is "half full" because I am so happy to be free from the bondage of Mormonism.  Even though we never see our oldest daughter much & she is still messed up emotionally; & even though Bill has yet to find a steady job & has just got laid off job #4 (they say he's over qualified); & even though Bill's side of the family have alienated us; & even though we lost 99% of dear friends developed in our 31 & 21 years of faithful membership in the church, I have experience a deep peace at the age of 40 that I never had before.  For my own self, I have realized that trying to figure out the will of God is like an amoeba trying to figure out the mind of man; it will never happen in this life.  God never intended for us to understand everything that happens in our life, so my motto lately is "QUE SERA, SERA; WHAT WILL BE WILL BE."  I have a strong belief in Christ & am trying to grow as a new found Christian in my "Christian walk."  Bill & the kids & I have joined a church & although I struggle getting close to people & feel like throwing Chucky Cheese Tokens in the plate when it's passed, I try & get something positive out of the message.

A member of the church told me they could never have done to our children what we did to ours because we put our family through hell.  My reply was that I'd do it all over again because I value truth so much.  Yes we paid a great price for truth, but as you read the Bible so did John the Baptist (he lost his head) & Daniel (who was thrown into a lions' den) & there are so many more examples.

I am sorry I have "rambled" & written more like a "novel" but I haven't shared these feelings & experiences with anyone outside my family.  I pray for so many of you who are just learning of the lies of Mormonism & feel & relate with your stories on the web site because I have been there & know firsthand the pain.

 

 

 

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Ellen G. White

Early Critics
       
Lucinda Burdick
       O.R.L. Crosier 
       Snook & Br'hoff
       H. E. Carver  
       Miles Grant
       Charles Lee 
       Blanchard 
       Norwich Tract 

Men of Battle Creek 
       A. T. Jones - 1
       A. T. Jones - 2 
                .
       "To those who
       are perplexed"

       David Paulson 
       William Sadler 
       Charles Stewart 
       A. T. Jones 
                .
       JHK Interview 
       Merritt Kellogg 
       A. T. Jones - 3 

Later Critics 
       A. F. Ballenger
 
       E. S. Ballenger 

 
 

Wm. Miller / 1844
      

      
An Exposition of
       the Prophecies,
       Supposed by Wm.
       Miller to Predict
       the Second
       Coming in 1843
       (1840)
      
       Miller Over-
       thrown:  Or, the
       False Prophet
       Confounded
       (1840)
      
       Canright on Wm.
       Miller
       (1889)

 

The Shut Door
      

      
The Camden
      
Vision Genuine
       (1979) 

 

The Sanctuary
      

      
Canright on the
      
Sanctuary
       (1889; 1919) 


      
Cast Out for the
       Cross of Christ
       (1909) 

 

The Sabbath
 
       
The $200 Text:
       A Written Dis-
       cussion of the
       Sabbath

 



The Reason Why

Introduction   
Chapter 5 
      Example A

            .
      More on EGW &
       Daniel March
           
.


Example A has about
40 pages on
E. G. White's copying from D. March.

"More on EGW & Dan- iel March" has another
5 that serve as a sum- ming up.



The Bible & the
Bible Only

#  1 - The Millennium

#  2 - The Seven 
         Churches of
         Revelation

#  3 - Precious Gems
         from the
         Scriptures

#  4A - The 70 Weeks
         of Daniel 9

#  4B - The 70 Weeks:
         More Evidence

#  5 - God's Rest

#  6 - Armegeddon

#  7 - The Image to 
         the Beast

#  8 - The Flying 
         Scroll

#  9 - The Scroll with
         the Seven Seals

#10 - The 1st & 2nd
         Resurrections

#11 - The Lamb-like
         Beast

#12 - The Rapture:
         Is it Scriptural?

#13 - The Israelites:
         From Calvary
         to Canaan

#14 - The Sinaitic
         Covenant

#15 - Satan's Life
         Cycle

#16 - The 3 Angels'
         Messages

#17 - The Second
         Coming

#18 - Are God's
         Promises All
         Conditional?

#19 - The 144,000

#20A - Everlasting
         Hell Fire

#20B - Our Immortal
         Soul

#21 - How Are We
         Born Again?

#22 - Jewelry and
         Meat Eating

#23A - Everlasting
         Gospel

#23B - What Harm
         Has Been Done?

#24 - The Seal of God
         and the Mark
         of the Beast

#25 - The Day of
         the Lord

#26 - Once Saved,
         Always Saved?

#27 - The Seventh day
         versus Sunday

#28 - The Awesome
         Statue of Dan. 2

#29 - Is the Sabbath
         Commandment
         Abolished?

#30 - The Doctrines
         of Demons

#31 - Is God for Real?

#32 - The Lord's
         Remnant

#33 - The 3 Temples

#34 - The Heavenly
         Pregnancy

#35 - The 2 Witnesses

#36 - The Shut Door

37A - God's Restora-
          tion of literal
          Israel

37B - Replacement
          Theology

38A - Dispensational-
          ism   Part One

38B - Dispensational-
          ism   Part Two

#39 - Beasts of Dan. 7

#40 - Beasts of Dan. 8

#41 - The Best Dry
          Bones

 
 


Personal Experi- ences

Former SDAs  
       
D. M. Canright 
       Henry Brown 
       Harold Snide 1 
       Harold Snide 2 
       Monica Vowless 
       Pat Darnell 
       Ron Numbers 
       Jim Moyers 
       Paul Cales 
       Geneva Chinnock
       Wallace Slattery
       Tom Durst
       Jack Gent

Others  
      
A WCG Couple
       Mormon #1
 
                 .
      
Letters to Mor
       mon #1

                  .
 
       Mormon #2 
       Mormon #3 
       Mormon #4 

      
A JW
 

LINKS  --  for further reading