The following is the full text of the exchange between J. B. Frisbie and O.R.L. Crosier, published in The Advent Harbinger and Bible Advocate, Vol. V., New Series, March 5, 1853.


 


INQUIRY  --  THE SANCTUARY, &c. 

 

Bro. Crosier:
 
         1.  Are your views the same now on the sanctuary as published in the Advent Review?  If so, will you inform me by letter or other way through the Harbinger?

         2.   Tell us whether you now believe that Christ entered into the most holy place on the tenth day of the seventh month 1844.  If so, how you obtain that knowledge, whether by a new revelation or by the old one, and where?

         3.  If you believe Christ entered immediately into the most holy place, even heaven itself, and has offered his blood 1800 years ago, or ever since?

         4.  We feel somewhat interested in this, as our Sabbath (Saturday) keepers throw out that they do not know how you would answer your own article on that subject.  We should like to know whether you are disposed to answer it or not?

         5.   Furthermore, if you feel free to do so, will you say whether you enjoyed your mind better while keeping the Sabbath than since?  If so, what was the cause.  Those here that keep the Sabbath say they enjoy themselves better than before, because they keep all the commandments.


                                                             Yours,


            Chelsea, Mich.                      J.   B.  FRISBIE

 

 


 


ANSWER: 

 

         1.  My view have been somewhat changed on the subject of the "Sanctuary" since 1845, when I wrote the article on the Law of Moses, from which the Sabbatarian Adventists quote so often.  As early as 1848 I saw enough of the nature of the coming Age to satisfy my mind that our view on the Atonement needed some modifying.  The above named persons [the Sabbatarian Adventists] appear to me to be insincere in quoting from that article,  (1) because they know that it was written for the express purpose of explaining and proving the doctrine of the "shut door" which they now, I understand, disclaim.   (2)  The persons referred to never received my views on the Atonement, as their leaders well know; and the points on which we always differed were the means of leading me out from shut door errors.

         2.  I think we have no means of knowing the precise time when the antitype of the ancient 10th day of the 7th month service did or will begin; but we have evidence that it will not close the "door of mercy" against all the previous impenitent.   According to the best light I can obtain from the Scriptures, I conclude that that service will occupy the next age.  I have no confidence in any "revelation" except those contained in the Bible.

         3.  I think the terms "the most holy place" and "heaven itself," as they occur in Heb. ix. are not convertible.  The contrast, you will see by verse 24, is between "the holy places made with hands" and "heaven itself."   In my opinion we fail to see much of the instruction obtained in the type, if we confound the services of the "holy place" with those of the "most holy place."  They had distinct apartments in the sanctuary, services were performed at different times, and under different circumstances.  These differences are recognized in the New Testament exposition.  For the law to have a complete "shadow of good things to come," it must, like the prophecies, indicate the Age to come.  --  This I think it does in the atonement services of the sanctuary.  I see no more evidence that our Great High Priest entered upon the antitype of the peculiar service performed in the holy of holies on the 10th day of the 7th month under the law when he ascended to heaven, than that the millenium began at that time.

         4.  If they consider that article unanswerable, why do they disclaim the doctrine of the shut door which it teaches?  Is it to shun reproach, and to get access to intelligent people under false colors?  I exceedingly regret ever having published the errors contained in that article and feel thankful to our heavenly Father for the clear light of his word which enabled me to see and renounce them.  The many truths it contains are still precious; and had I time to write and means to publish, I would like to separate the latter from the former and more clearly and fully develop them.

         5.   What enjoyment I had while trying to keep the Sabbath is not to be placed to its credit.  I had as much before, and more since.  My observations and experience have convinced me that there is no real Christian enjoyment in attempts at Sabbath keeping.  The enjoyment persons have in such attempts spring from other sources -- from having the prejudice of early and erroneous education satisfied, and from preventing disunion among believers, and from truths they may hold in practice.  The Sabbath is legal, not Christian; therefore it cannot yield Christian enjoyment.  It carries with it the spirit of "bondage" as all know who have tried to keep it; and torments with a constant consciousness of coming short of meeting its imperious demands.  How often have I heard Sabbatarians say, "We can't keep it: we do the best we can; yet we can't keep it according to the Bible."  The reason is, it was never designed for Christians to keep.  Hence there are no directions in the New Testament how to keep it, nor to keep it at all.  The Sabbatarian leaders never considered me sound on that question.  I could not "wrest" the plain language of Scriptures to suit my prejudices and theories with so much facility as they.  I had to admit it all, though my prejudices made the Scriptures appear to contradict themselves, and then decide what was duty from what seemed the balance of obligation, all things considered.  Of this my article in the Day Dawn is proof, which Sabbatarians quote in a mutilated form.  I subsequently saw the full and harmonious testimony of the New Testament against Sabbatizing.  The testimony being clear and abundant, removed every doubt from my mind, so soon as I dared open my mind to receive it.  Then the truth afforded me Christian enjoyment.  Excited feeling is no evidence of Christian enjoyment or Christian character.  It may spring from various causes and be had by the worst of men.  Christian enjoyment, as such, can only spring from a sincere reception, confession and practice of the truth.


                                                  O.R.L. CROSIER

 

 

 

 

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Ellen G. White

Early Critics
       
Lucinda Burdick
       O.R.L. Crosier 
       Snook & Br'hoff
       H. E. Carver  
       Miles Grant
       Charles Lee 
       Blanchard 
       Norwich Tract 

Men of Battle Creek 
       A. T. Jones - 1
       A. T. Jones - 2 
                .
       "To those who
       are perplexed"

       David Paulson 
       William Sadler 
       Charles Stewart 
       A. T. Jones 
                .
       JHK Interview 
       Merritt Kellogg 
       A. T. Jones - 3 

Later Critics 
       A. F. Ballenger
 
       E. S. Ballenger 

 
 

Wm. Miller / 1844
      

      
An Exposition of
       the Prophecies,
       Supposed by Wm.
       Miller to Predict
       the Second
       Coming in 1843
       (1840)
      
       Miller Over-
       thrown:  Or, the
       False Prophet
       Confounded
       (1840)
      
       Canright on Wm.
       Miller
       (1889)

 

The Shut Door
      

      
The Camden
      
Vision Genuine
       (1979) 

 

The Sanctuary
      

      
Canright on the
      
Sanctuary
       (1889; 1919) 


      
Cast Out for the
       Cross of Christ
       (1909) 

 

The Sabbath
 
       
The $200 Text:
       A Written Dis-
       cussion of the
       Sabbath

 



The Reason Why

Introduction   
Chapter 5 
      Example A

            .
      More on EGW &
       Daniel March
           
.


Example A has about
40 pages on
E. G. White's copying from D. March.

"More on EGW & Dan- iel March" has another
5 that serve as a sum- ming up.



The Bible & the
Bible Only

#  1 - The Millennium

#  2 - The Seven 
         Churches of
         Revelation

#  3 - Precious Gems
         from the
         Scriptures

#  4A - The 70 Weeks
         of Daniel 9

#  4B - The 70 Weeks:
         More Evidence

#  5 - God's Rest

#  6 - Armegeddon

#  7 - The Image to 
         the Beast

#  8 - The Flying 
         Scroll

#  9 - The Scroll with
         the Seven Seals

#10 - The 1st & 2nd
         Resurrections

#11 - The Lamb-like
         Beast

#12 - The Rapture:
         Is it Scriptural?

#13 - The Israelites:
         From Calvary
         to Canaan

#14 - The Sinaitic
         Covenant

#15 - Satan's Life
         Cycle

#16 - The 3 Angels'
         Messages

#17 - The Second
         Coming

#18 - Are God's
         Promises All
         Conditional?

#19 - The 144,000

#20A - Everlasting
         Hell Fire

#20B - Our Immortal
         Soul

#21 - How Are We
         Born Again?

#22 - Jewelry and
         Meat Eating

#23A - Everlasting
         Gospel

#23B - What Harm
         Has Been Done?

#24 - The Seal of God
         and the Mark
         of the Beast

#25 - The Day of
         the Lord

#26 - Once Saved,
         Always Saved?

#27 - The Seventh day
         versus Sunday

#28 - The Awesome
         Statue of Dan. 2

#29 - Is the Sabbath
         Commandment
         Abolished?

#30 - The Doctrines
         of Demons

#31 - Is God for Real?

#32 - The Lord's
         Remnant

#33 - The 3 Temples

#34 - The Heavenly
         Pregnancy

#35 - The 2 Witnesses

#36 - The Shut Door

37A - God's Restora-
          tion of literal
          Israel

37B - Replacement
          Theology

38A - Dispensational-
          ism   Part One

38B - Dispensational-
          ism   Part Two

#39 - Beasts of Dan. 7

#40 - Beasts of Dan. 8

#41 - The Best Dry
          Bones

 
 


Personal Experi- ences

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D. M. Canright 
       Henry Brown 
       Harold Snide 1 
       Harold Snide 2 
       Monica Vowless 
       Pat Darnell 
       Ron Numbers 
       Jim Moyers 
       Paul Cales 
       Geneva Chinnock
       Wallace Slattery
       Tom Durst
       Jack Gent

Others  
      
A WCG Couple
       Mormon #1
 
                 .
      
Letters to Mor
       mon #1

                  .
 
       Mormon #2 
       Mormon #3 
       Mormon #4 

      
A JW
 

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