Dispensationalism

Part One

 

 

 

The Millennium The Seven Churches Precious Gems Seventy Weeks (A)
Seventy Weeks (B) God's Rest Armageddon Image to the Beast
The Flying Scroll The Seven Seals The Resurrections The Lamblike Beast
The Rapture? The Israelites Sinaitic Covenant Satan's Life Cycle
3 Angels' Messages The Second Coming Conditional? The 144,000
Ever Burning Hellfire Our Immortal Soul How Born Again? Meat and Jewelry
Everlasting Gospel What Harm? Mark of the Beast Day of the Lord
Once Saved, Always? 7th Day vs. Sunday The Awesome Statue Sabbath Abolished?
Doctrines of Demons Is God for Real? The Lord's Remnant The Three Temples
A Heavenly Pregnancy The Two Witnesses The Shut Door Restoration of Israel
Replacement Theology Dispensationalism Pt.1 Dispensationalism Pt.2 Beasts of Daniel 7
Beasts of Daniel 8 Dry Bones    

 

 

  

 

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Dispensationalism

Part  One

 


Are "those who fall asleep in Jesus"
resurrected and raptured to heaven
prior to the Great Tribulation?

Could this be impossible
according to
the Bible?

Let us check to see if
if these things be.

 

 

 

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by

Jack Gent

 

 

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Dispensationalism

(Part One)


In the Levitt Letter No. 11, Oct. 2000, p. 11, there is the response by Dr. Charles Dyer to a question from the Levitt Letter as to the stand of the Moody Bible Institute in regards to their fundamental Dispensational distinctives.  The following quotes are some of the answer that he replied with:

(1.)  Pretribulational Rapture: "Christ will return preceding the Great Tribulation at which time He will receive into heaven dead and living believers who constitute His Church."

(2.)  Literal second Coming and Millennium: "The pre-millennial return of Christ at which time He will set up his thousand-year reign."

(3.)  Distinction between Israel and the Church: "The Church of Jesus Christ is a distinct entity from Israel in the program of God.   We further believe that the Universal Church consists of all who possess saving faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ from Pentecost to the Rapture of the Church and who will represent every
language, tribe and nation."

"Moody Bible Institute requires all faculty members to agree with, personally adhere to, and support the school's doctrinal distinctives, including those listed above.  These are not negotiable."  (Dr. Dyer)

The thrust of this booklet will be to point out the Scriptures that might question whether the distinctives in item No. 1 above are so.  This is no small task as there is much material available to help us to make this decision and an impossibility to cover it adequately in the confines of this size booklet.

In Item No. 2 I find myself in perfect agreement, with my only comment being -- amen.  In Item No. 3 I find again the need to consider Scripture to see if these things be so.  That is something that will have to be left for another day.

First of all, let us see the big  picture as we set the stage for what is prophesied to take place at the beginning of the Great Tribulation:  This picture describes the events that occur during the 42 months allotted to Satan's reign which he does through the efforts of his personal representative -- the Antichrist.   He is claiming to be God and performing mighty miracles to prove his point.   He demands complete obedience to himself, and dissenters at first are refused privileges to buy or sell if non-compliant.  Later he increases the penalty to death for non-compliance.  (Dan.12:11).

On the other hand, the 144,000 whom God will select to represent Him, immediately prior to the onset of this Tribulation; these are filled with the Holy Spirit as servant prophets of God in order to preach and promote the everlasting gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue and people during the time of the Antichrist's reign.

Thus we have the time approaching when there will be the opportunity to witness for the Lord the gospel of Christ.  That He is the only God who is able to save them.   Why would God remove the great bulk of the dedicated and well trained born again Christians, and take them to heaven, when in all their previous existence they have never had such an opportunity to witness for such a glorious cause?  It doesn't make any
sense, does it?

Now let us note the events that are instrumental in setting this Great Tribulation into reality.  The date for this time is nowhere given or possible to derive by the prophetic writings of the prophets, because it is a time that only God the Father knows by His own authority.  It's a period of 1335 days that in the prophetic books is listed as the coming Day of the Lord.  It lasts from the onset of the rule of Satan for the first 1260 days, and this to be followed by the beginning of Christ's reign, during which time the seven last plagues are poured out on the unsaved of the earth.  Christ comes during the 7th plague to destroy the Antichrist and his multinational army, and to set free His remnant survivors of literal Israelites.

Remember that in all this book of Revelation it is depicting the activities that are to take place during this 1335 day time frame of the Day of the Lord.  It's given as a revelation of Jesus Christ, which God (the Father) gave Him (Christ) to show his servants (the 144,000) what must soon take place.  All these events are described for His servants to know, because their job description is to reveal Christ to every inhabitant of the earth.

Rev. 1:1  --  The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.  He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John.

With those in readiness to initiate the beginning of this Great Tribulation and before those angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea were released, there was an angel with an urgent message to hold everything until a very important function can take place first:

Rev. 7:1-4  --  After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.  Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God.  He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:  Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."  Then I heard the number of those who were sealed:   144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Now that the 144,000 servant prophets have been selected and sealed, all is in readiness to raise the curtain on this catastrophic drama.  We have now another angel who we might consider as analogous to the sports official who fires the pistol to signal the time for the sprinters at a track meet to begin the race.

Rev. 8:3  --  Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar.  He was given much incense to offer, and the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne...  Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

These are global signs that we should be able to recognize when they happen.  This is representing the official turning over this censer to the Antichrist which is symbolic of giving him his authority from heaven for his equal time to manage the earth and get his message "vindicated."  He is restricted by God to the extent that he can carry out his plans.

This censer being cast down represents symbolically the evening and morning sacrifices in the earthly sanctuary  to the reality of the heavenly service which restrained Satan in his activities on earth.  It was called the daily or in some translations, the continual.

Some are certain that these 144,000 who are to be the representatives of the 12 tribes of Israel must be literal Israelites -- descendants of Jacob.  It's easy to see how one could draw this conclusion, but I would like to
point out why this is extremely unlikely.  One of the very first things that God presents in His book to show His servants what must shortly come to pass  is to reveal to them how and where they were selected.  Were they selected from a selection of Israelite synagogues?  We have John telling us how these were selected while he was in vision on the Lord's Day -- this 1335 day time-frame, and apparently at its inception:

Rev. 1:10  --  On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches:  to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum,
Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

[These are all Christian converts from the pagan Gentile cities of Asia Minor.   These churches could in no way be showing the servants of our God what would soon take place other than showing them that these churches were symbolic of Christian churches during the Day of the Lord at the time of the end, and from which they would be selected.]

       Continuing Vss. 12,13  --   I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me.  And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands.  And among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man," dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet with a golden sash around his chest...
       Vs. 16  --  "In his right hand he held seven stars, (footnoted-NIH -- or messengers) and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword.  His face was like the sun shining in its brilliance...
       Vss. 19,20  --  "Write therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.  The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels (messengers) of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

The seven lampstands represent the seven churches.  How can the golden lampstands represent these seven churches since all through the Bible the golden lampstands in the temple represent the Word of God -- Christ himself?  It has to be to tell them that they were selected from Christ centered churches at the time of the end.

Zech. 4:1,2  --  Then the angel who talked with me returned and wakened me, as a man is wakened from his sleep.
     Vs. 2  --  He asked me, "What do you see?" I answered, "I see a solid gold lampstand with a bowl at the top and seven lights on it, with seven channels to the lights...
     Vs. 10 --  "These seven are the eyes of the Lord, which range throughout the earth."

Rev. 5:6  --  Then I saw a Lamb looking like as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.  He had seven horns and seven eyes which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

These seven lampstands represent a perfect number to encompass all the Christ promoting assemblies, denominations or groups which are active at this end time of selection.   There are several hundred which would be represented with millions of possible candidates.  In Christ's hand will only be 144,000 which represents the messengers that John found Him having harvested as He walked among the golden lampstands.

Literal Israelites may be found to be in that number, but if so they will be selected from the Christ centered groups that they are associated with.  The Israelites as a nation will still be in a state of rebellion, in accepting Christ as God and their only Savior.  They are not scheduled to change this spiritual orientation until the last Gentile has been called in.  This can't happen until the 144,000 have finished their testimony, that follows their 1260 days of prophsying.

Rom. 11:25-27  --  I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited:  Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
       "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob, and this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
      Vs. 28  --  As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account.

There is no doubt that they are enemies of the gospel as a nation.  God's back is still turned on them until the last Gentile is called in.  Then this condition will come to an end and they will become converted, born again Christians.  This is because God will take away the hardening of their hearts toward Him.  He opens their eyes and they realize their lost condition and their need of a Savior.

This is the time of fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel 9, when He takes away all their sins.  This happens during the last week of the reign of the Antichrist.   The 144,000 are selected and sealed apparently a week before the censer is cast down and Satan's reign begins.  This must be so because their prophesying continues for 1260 days and ends during the last week of his reign; which also is to last for 42 months.  (Rev.13:5)

At the time this group of remnant survivors of the Israelites living in the land of Israel are brought into a saving relationship to Christ they will have been prisoners in Jerusalem undergoing trampling and
brutalizing by the Antichrist and his supporters for over three years.

Fifty percent of the surviving remnant have been exiled into these hostile nations that constitute the multinational force of the anti-christ.  These exiled ones are undergoing the same oppressive abuse as their fellow Israelites incarcerated in Jerusalem.   Can you see how impossible it is that from these two groups the 144,000 could have been selected three plus years earlier, to preach the everlasting gospel to the world.   It would be tantamount to selecting them from their Arab neighbors who share Israel's contempt for the gospel of
Christ.

Note the biblical account of these events.  You will soon see that this account is the one that Jesus was pointing forward to in Luke 21:20-24.  In studying this prophecy in Zech. 13 which begins in verse 8, ignore the chapter 14 heading as it comes in the middle of the prophecy.

Zech. 13:8-14: to the end of the chapter.  --  "In the whole land, (of Israel) "declares the Lord, "two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it.
       Vs. 9  --  This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold.  [all impurities removed]  They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, "They are my people," and they will say, "The Lord is our God."

[This is the first time since the cross that the Israelites as a nation have accepted Christ as God.  Now notice how this refining process comes about.]

Zech. 14:1  --  A day of the Lord is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.  [NRSV --  when your plunder taken from you will be divided in your midst.]
       Vs. 2  --  I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped.  Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

[This desolation of the Israelites by the Armies of the Antichrist begins the punishment of the Israelites in fulfillment of all that has been written -- as stated by Jesus in Luke 21:22.  Fifty percent of the surviving one third are sent as exiles to all these hostile nations and the remaining 50% stay in Jerusalem and undergo raping, brutalizing andunspeakable abuse for 1260 days.  This is all brought to an end at Christ's second coming when these trampled groups are reunited in Jerusalem.]

       Vs. 5  -- You will flee by my mountain valley...You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.   [These are the 144,000 -- firstfruits of this earth's harvest.]
       Vs. 9  --  The Lord will be king over the whole earth.  On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

This should convince anyone that Jesus was speaking of this event during the final day of the Lord and not of the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus and his army in A.D 70.

Luke 21:20-28  --  "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies,  [The multinational armies of the Antichrist-not the Roman army of Titus.]  you will know that its desolation is near.  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the country not enter the city.
       Vs. 22  --  For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written...
       Vss. 23,24  --  There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people  [This will be during the height of the Great Tribulation]  They will fall by the sword [2/3 of them ] and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.  [50% of the surviving third]   Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.  [The remaining 50% of the surviving remnant third. -- Time, times and half a time -- 3 1/2 years -- 42 months -- 1260 days.]

Now I would like to present another account of this battle.  This account only mentions the battle but shows the important things to happen or be fulfilled at this crucial time.

Micah 5:1-5  --  Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us.
       [You will soon see that this is speaking of this same time when Jerusalem is surrounded by the Armies of the Antichrist]  They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.  [This is to answer any question of the Israelites as to:  "Why is this happening to us?]

See Matt. 27:28-30  --  They stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him, and then wove a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand and knelt in front of him and mocked him, "Hail, King of the Jews!" they said.  They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again.

Micah 5:2 (continuing)  --  But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Israel, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.  [This is to identify which of Israel's rulers verse one is speaking of.]
       Vs. 3  --  Therefore Israel will be abandoned ["therefore" for this reason -- for the unspeakable crime of the crucifixion] -- until the time when she who is in labor gives birth and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites.

This is another strong clue to let us know when God will no longer turn His back on the nation of Israel as His special people.  Paul states, as we have noted, that this condition continues until the last Gentile is called in.  This text states that it persists until she who is in labor gives birth -- meaning the Christian churches at the end time, immediately before the Great Tribulation, give birth to the 144,000; and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites.

These servants, messengers or prophets, finish their testimony at the end of their 1260 days of prophesying.  Note the account:

Rev. 11:6-18  --  These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
       Vs. 7  --  Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them...
       Vs. 9  --  For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial...
       Vs. 11  --  But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.
       Vs. 12  --  Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here."  And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
       Vs. 13  --  At that very hour there was a severe earthquake...

This is the signal that closes the 70th week of .Daniel 9:27.  This is when the captured, trampled and exiled Israelites respond to God opening their eyes and their turning to Him in confessing their sins and committing their lives to Him.  God has taken the 144,000 to heaven -- the real rapture -- and turns His attention to the battered survivors of the Israelite nation.

The last Gentile has been called in because the last one has been given an opportunity to make his decision to serve Christ, and the Holy Spirit working  through these prophets has come to a close.  This is the situation the Lord is describing in Amos' prophetic book:

Amos 8:11,12  --  "The days are coming," declares the Sovereign Lord, "When I will send a famine through the land -- Not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.   Men will stagger from sea to sea and wander from north to east, searching for the word of the Lord, but they will not find it.
       [The words of Christ had been conveyed by the Holy Spirit to these 144,000 servants.  They in turn had been revealing this to the inhabitants of the earth, prior to their martyrdom.  This has now been silenced.]

After the 144,000 hour," we have the following:

Rev. 11:14  --  " The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon."   [The second woe occurs during the time of the sixth trumpet; this to be followed immediately by the third woe or the seventh trumpet.]
       Vs. 15  --  The seventh angel sounded his trumpet and there were loud voices in heaven which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever."
       Vss. 16,17  --  And the 24 elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshipped God, saying: "We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the one who is and was, because you  have taken your great power and have begun to reign."

At the sounding of the seventh trumpet it announces the reign of Christ to begin which would automatically indicate the reign of the Antichrist to end.  When Christ came to this earth in human form as Jesus, He was allotted 3 1/2 years to preach His everlasting gospel to the Israelites.  Following this 3 1/2 years He was crucified and after 3 days was raised from the dead and soon taken to heaven.

In the Day of the Lord, the Antichrist will be allowed 3 1/2 years to present his message, following which his reign will end and Christ's reign will begin.  The Antichrist will continue on until Christ comes approximately 75 days later to destroy the Antichrist and his armies and to set free His reclaimed Israelites as His special nation.

The 144,000 represent Christ's interest during this period of the Great Tribulation and they too are allotted 3 1/2 years of prophesying, following which they are martyred and after 3 1/2 days they are resurrected  and raptured to heaven.

I know that I will have to challenge the apparent meaning of a very plainly written verse in the prophecy concerning the ancestry of the 144,000.  This I feel I need to do because there is so much evidence that
God gives us in His Book that shows the apparent meaning of this text is not what most will conclude it means.  I need to make this clear so that it clears up the confusion of Christ coming pretribulation to take the saved; both dead and alive to heaven at that time.

Rev. 7:4  --  Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Remember the prayer of Daniel in his petition to God to restore the nation and the holy city of the Israelites.

Daniel 9:19  --  O Lord, listen!  O Lord, forgive!  O Lord, hear and act !  For your sake, O my God, do not delay, because your city and your people bear your name."
       [His people were the Israelites which bore the name of Jacob their founder, who had his name changed by God to Israel after he wrestled with God.]

Isaiah 44:1,2  --  "But now listen, O Jacob, my servant, Israel, whom I have chosen...  Do not be afraid, O Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.
       [Israel -- His name that His people are called by-Israelites.  Jeshurun -- His name that His city is called by -- Jerusalem.]

Hosea 11:1  --  "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."
       [Jacob can not be the Israel that Hosea is speaking of because he was never in Egypt as a child.  He went there as an old man and died there.  But in case there is any lingering doubt, note the following:]

Matt. 2:14,15 --   So he got up, took the child (Jesus) and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod.   And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet:  "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Now let us return to the prophecy in Isaiah 44. In this coming passage God tells us the three different backgrounds of the redeemed in the Millennial Kingdom.

Vss. 3-5  --  For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants.  They will spring up like grass in a meadow, like poplar trees by flowing streams.
       Vs. 5  --  One will say, 'I belong to the Lord'; another will call himself by the name of Jacob; still another will write on his hand, 'The Lord's,' and will take the name Israel.

(1)  One will say, 'I belong to the Lord.'

[Ever since God called Jacob and his descendants as his chosen nation there have been only two groups.  The Israelites and the Gentiles.  If a group is not specified as Israelites then it has to be Gentiles.  This group has to be the largest group in this kingdom by far.]

(2)  "Another will call himself by the name of Jacob."

[He also belongs to the Lord but he represents one of the descendants of Jacob, renamed Israelites by God after Jacob's wrestling with God.]

(3)  "Still another will write on his hand, 'the Lord's,' and will take the name Israel."

[This must be a representative of the 144,000. He takes the name Israel.  This means he is not a literal descendent of Jacob as he would already be an Israelite.   He is selected by God as His personal property -- the firstfruits of earth's harvest and given to Christ who is the antitypical high priest of the heavenly temple service.  He is given Christ's name which is placed on his forehead.  A brand if you will, and the name that John notes there when he visits the group in heaven.   We know Christ's name that he is given is Israel, because it says he takes the name Israel.  He is not a child or descendent of Jacob, but an original child of the heavenly Israel.  Original as in the sense that Jacob was the original progenitor of the nation that bore God's name.  You might consider that the 144,000 are bearers of that name as well as their descendants of whom we are told that they will increase in numbers like the grass in a meadow, like poplar trees by flowing streams.  Jacob, in type, in receiving God's name in place of his original name, meets its end time fulfillment in the antitype -- the 144,000 who are given Christ's name and branded with it on their foreheads to emphasize that they are His personal property.]

We know the 144,000 will be raptured to heaven three and a half days following their martyrdom.  We have numerous sightings of them by John while in vision.  The picture of them in Revelation 14 is beyond question as they are plainly so identified.   Note some of the helpful facts recorded about them there:

Rev. 14:1-5  --  Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and His Father's name on their foreheads...
       Vs. 3b  --  No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth...
       Vs. 4b  --  They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.   [These have Christ's name and His Father's name on their foreheads.  The other  point to be stressed is that they represent the firstfruits of earth's harvest.  Note the place of the firstfruits in the symbol as in the instructions God gave to the Israelites following Sinai.]

Lev. 23:9  --  The Lord said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring the priest a sheaf of the first grain you  harvest.  He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf.

[Now note the Lord speaking to Aaron the high priest.]

Num. 18:12,13  --  "I give you all the finest olive oil and all the finest new wine and grain they give the Lord as the firstfruits of their harvest.  All the land's firstfriits that they bring to the Lord will be yours.   Everyone in your household who is ceremonially clean may eat it.

Aaron as high priest and the high priests that followed him were a type of Christ.   The firstfruits were waved before God the Father to receive His acceptance before giving them to the high priest -- Christ in the antitype.

Now I would like to point out other descriptions of this same group in heaven as seen by John in vision, to better enable us to see the big picture in better focus.  Note his description of the Great Multitude in white robes.

Rev. 7:9  --  After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands...
       Vs. 13  --  Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes -- who are they,  and where did they come from?"
       Vs. 14  --  I answered, "Sir, you know."  And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

These can't be the righteous dead that are raised from the dead before the Great Tribulation.  The only thing they could have known about the Great Tribulation would be what they had read in the Bible or heard in sermons.  But these have been through the Great Tribulation and have come out of it at its end stage.

This can only be speaking of the 144,000.  Some will say, but it is a number so great that one cannot count it.  Have you ever tried to count a large crowd of 144,000.  Even a hundred would cause you to back up occasionally to recount again as it is difficult at times to remember if one has already been counted.

Another reason is the Bible often uses hyperbole when describing things which it wants to stress but not to be taken literally.  There are  numerous examples of this in the Bible but note this one as an example:

1Sam. 13:5 --  The Philistines assembled to fight Israel, with three thousand chariots, six thousand charioteers, and soldiers as numerous as the sand of the seashore.

I believe it would be questionable that the number of soldiers in their army would exceed 144,000.  That would be a huge army in those days, but a handful of sand would contain more grains than all the Philistines, probably, that ever lived.

And now I want to point out another very important description of this very similar group.

Rev. 20:4,5  --  I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.
       [These are the 24 elders who have their thrones before the throne of God. This is given to establish that this scene is taken in a heavenly setting.]
       And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God.
       [Remember that the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophesy.  Rev. 19:10.  These martyrs had been revealing Christ during the 1260 days of their prophesying by preaching the word of God in written form -- the Bible, and in day to day instructions from Christ transmitted to them via the Holy Spirit.]
       Vs. 4b  --  They had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.  [These had gone through the Great Tribulation and were martyred (beheaded) prior to the group meeting with John.]  They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
       Vs. 5  --  The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.  This is the first resurrection.
       Vs. 6  --  Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.  The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand
years.

Is this difficult to see that these can only be speaking of the 144,000 who had been raptured to heaven as the Great Tribulation closes, and I believe we have proof that they return with Christ at His second coming:

Rev. 17:12-14  --  The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.  They have one purpose [exterminating the Israelites] and will give their power and authority to the beast.  They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings -- and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.
       [Remember they are called and chosen when they are selected, when they are sealed with the Holy Spirit to begin their 1260 days of prophesying, and that they follow the Lamb wherever he goes.  How could you make a better description of them in so few words.]

And now I would like to bring out the harmony with Paul's prophecy of the rapture of the righteous dead as compared with the description of John in Rev. 11.

1Thess. 4:14  --  We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
       [We would have to admit that the 144,000 martyrs would qualify as those who had fallen asleep in him.  He doesn't say all who have fallen asleep in Him.  I doubt that Paul knew more than his simple statement says because it probably hadn't been revealed to him.  He obviously thought he would be in the group alive at His coming when this statement was made.]

Vs. 15 --  According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are alive, who are left till  the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who are fallen asleep.
       [This means that those who are raised at this resurrection will precede those living saints who will be gathered later.  How much later is not specified.  The firstfruits are always gathered first.]
       Vs. 16  --  For the Lord himself will come  down from heaven, with a loud command, and with the voice of the Archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
       [Would that loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here," qualify as consistent with the Lord coming down from heaven with a loud command?  Those dead in Christ in both cases responded to the loud command.]

These passages would indicate that Christ makes a special trip to this earth to resurrect and rapture the firstfruits of His harvest of the earth.  Then the events in 1Thess. 4:17 follow at a later date.

1Thess. 4:17  --  After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them [the 144,000] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
       [This reunion occurs when Christ comes in all His glory at the end of the 1335 days to free the imprisoned Israelites in Jerusalem; then collects His living saints from all over the earth, including the recently exiled literal Israelites who have been undergoing abusive treatment in all those hostile nations under the control of the Antichrist for the preceding 42 months.]

At this stage I would recommend you download and read my two booklets #34 "The Heavenly Pregnancy"; and # 35 "The Two Witnesses," which cover some of these points in more detail and additional Scriptural verification.

I believe we now have sufficient information to better consider the Pretribulational Rapture: "Christ will return preceding the Great Tribulation at which time He will receive into heaven dead and living believers who constitute His church."

We know for sure from what we have just learned from Paul that the dead will be resurrected first so let us deal with that first.  We know the 144,000 preach the gospel of Christ to every inhabitant on the planet during the time of the Great Tribulation, following which they are martyred and after 3 1/2 days are resurrected and called up to heaven in a cloud.  John in Rev. 20:4,5, describes them as the 144,000 and that all of them had been martyred (beheaded).  He identifies them as being redeemed from the earth and the firstfruits to God and the Lamb.  (Rev. 14.)

He further notes that this group of firstfruits constitute the first resurrection of earth's harvest.  Wouldn't the dead believers prior to the Great Trribulation, if resurrected at that time, constitute the first resurrection?  Shouldn't they have been designated as the firstfruits of earth's harvest?  And how did they get the experience of battling and overcoming the Antichrist when they were resurrected before he was scheduled to surface?

In addition to all this very positive Scripture to the otherwise, this concept of the first resurrection at the pretrib time frame is built entirely on reading between the lines.  This is a dangerous process, especially when it flies in the face of hard evidence to the contrary.

In John's prophecy he also states that the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were ended -- at the termination of the Millennial Kingdom with Christ ruling from Jerusalem.  If this is the case, then it is impossible to have a general resurrection any time before this resurrection or anytime after this resurrection until the end of the Millennial Kingdom a thousand years later.  If there is such a resurrection it would have to be as plainly stated as this one that says it can't be so.

 

 

 

 

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Ellen G. White

Early Critics
       
Lucinda Burdick
       O.R.L. Crosier 
       Snook & Br'hoff
       H. E. Carver  
       Miles Grant
       Charles Lee 
       Blanchard 
       Norwich Tract 

Men of Battle Creek 
       A. T. Jones - 1
       A. T. Jones - 2 
                .
       "To those who
       are perplexed"

       David Paulson 
       William Sadler 
       Charles Stewart 
       A. T. Jones 
                .
       JHK Interview 
       Merritt Kellogg 
       A. T. Jones - 3 

Later Critics 
       A. F. Ballenger
 
       E. S. Ballenger 

 
 

Wm. Miller / 1844
      

      
An Exposition of
       the Prophecies,
       Supposed by Wm.
       Miller to Predict
       the Second
       Coming in 1843
       (1840)
      
       Miller Over-
       thrown:  Or, the
       False Prophet
       Confounded
       (1840)
      
       Canright on Wm.
       Miller
       (1889)

 

The Shut Door
      

      
The Camden
      
Vision Genuine
       (1979) 

 

The Sanctuary
      

      
Canright on the
      
Sanctuary
       (1889; 1919) 


      
Cast Out for the
       Cross of Christ
       (1909) 

 

The Sabbath
 
       
The $200 Text:
       A Written Dis-
       cussion of the
       Sabbath

 



The Reason Why

Introduction   
Chapter 5 
      Example A

            .
      More on EGW &
       Daniel March
           
.


Example A has about
40 pages on
E. G. White's copying from D. March.

"More on EGW & Dan- iel March" has another
5 that serve as a sum- ming up.



The Bible & the
Bible Only

#  1 - The Millennium

#  2 - The Seven 
         Churches of
         Revelation

#  3 - Precious Gems
         from the
         Scriptures

#  4A - The 70 Weeks
         of Daniel 9

#  4B - The 70 Weeks:
         More Evidence

#  5 - God's Rest

#  6 - Armegeddon

#  7 - The Image to 
         the Beast

#  8 - The Flying 
         Scroll

#  9 - The Scroll with
         the Seven Seals

#10 - The 1st & 2nd
         Resurrections

#11 - The Lamb-like
         Beast

#12 - The Rapture:
         Is it Scriptural?

#13 - The Israelites:
         From Calvary
         to Canaan

#14 - The Sinaitic
         Covenant

#15 - Satan's Life
         Cycle

#16 - The 3 Angels'
         Messages

#17 - The Second
         Coming

#18 - Are God's
         Promises All
         Conditional?

#19 - The 144,000

#20A - Everlasting
         Hell Fire

#20B - Our Immortal
         Soul

#21 - How Are We
         Born Again?

#22 - Jewelry and
         Meat Eating

#23A - Everlasting
         Gospel

#23B - What Harm
         Has Been Done?

#24 - The Seal of God
         and the Mark
         of the Beast

#25 - The Day of
         the Lord

#26 - Once Saved,
         Always Saved?

#27 - The Seventh day
         versus Sunday

#28 - The Awesome
         Statue of Dan. 2

#29 - Is the Sabbath
         Commandment
         Abolished?

#30 - The Doctrines
         of Demons

#31 - Is God for Real?

#32 - The Lord's
         Remnant

#33 - The 3 Temples

#34 - The Heavenly
         Pregnancy

#35 - The 2 Witnesses

#36 - The Shut Door

37A - God's Restora-
          tion of literal
          Israel

37B - Replacement
          Theology

38A - Dispensational-
          ism   Part One

38B - Dispensational-
          ism   Part Two

#39 - Beasts of Dan. 7

#40 - Beasts of Dan. 8

#41 - The Best Dry
          Bones

 
 


Personal Experi- ences

Former SDAs  
       
D. M. Canright 
       Henry Brown 
       Harold Snide 1 
       Harold Snide 2 
       Monica Vowless 
       Pat Darnell 
       Ron Numbers 
       Jim Moyers 
       Paul Cales 
       Geneva Chinnock
       Wallace Slattery
       Tom Durst
       Jack Gent

Others  
      
A WCG Couple
       Mormon #1
 
                 .
      
Letters to Mor
       mon #1

                  .
 
       Mormon #2 
       Mormon #3 
       Mormon #4 

      
A JW
 

LINKS  --  for further reading

 

 

 

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